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I recently has a lively discussion with a TBM friend about Joseph Smith being either a prophet or fraud.  In his attempt to defend he mentioned that many in his day accused him of being a horse thief and that it was never proven.  If course this is from a guy who didn't believe that he started polygamy, so I emailed him the link to familysearch.org.  I had never heard of this horse thief accusation.  Is there anything documented about this?
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Brigham Young stated it...in letters.

 

http://www.signaturebooks.com/excerpts/doc4.html

 

'4. At the time, the meaning of "gambler" included "a cheating gamester, sharpe, knave" (Webster 1806, 128). See also Young et al., 1853-86, 4:77-78. 5. A "black leg" was a "swindler," especially at horse races (see Ashurst-McGee 1999, 116, n. 26). 6. By "horse jockey" was meant "a dealer in horses; one who makes it his business to buy and sell horses for gain" and "[a] cheat; one who deceives or takes undue advantage in trade" (Webster 1828, s.v. "jockey"; cited in Ashurst-McGee 1999, 116, n. 27). Brigham Young mentioned hearing accusations in 1832 that Joseph Smith was a "horse-jockey" and a horse thief (Young et al. 1853-86, 8:15).'

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This isn't about JS being a horse theif but is about his dishonesty. 

 

History of the Church Vol. 2 pg 502.

"...When we arrived at Painsville we were detained all day by malicious and vexatious law suits.  About sun-set I got into my carriage to return home to Kirtland; at this moment the sheriff sprang into the carriage, siezed my lines, and served another writ on me, which was sworn out by a man who had a few weeks previously brought a new fashioned cooking stove to Kirtland, and prevailed on me to put it up in my kitchen, saying it would give credit to his stove, wishing to have it tested by our people; and now he thought would be a good time to get pay for it.  I gave my watch to the officer for security and we all returned home."

 

The first part of this story up until "served another writ on me" was in this years RS/PR manual.  I looked up the rest of the story because I smelled a rat.  I wonder when JS would have paid for the stove, he seemed to think he was doing the salesman a favor and didn't owe him any money for the stove.  I would love to hear the salesman's side of the story.

 
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