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I'm compiling a list of Mormon leaders and other high ranking Mormons who've resigned. Not that anyone with a high calling in Mormonism is any better than any of the rest of us, just that it seems more improbable that they would find out the truth after a life of servitude to the corporation, and make the decision to exit. And it may hold more weight when I discuss resignation with my family to be able to tell them "Yeah, and so-and-so resigned, and he used to be the Oklahoma City Temple president." It will probably carry a little more weight with TBMs.  Who has resigned that was either a high ranking church leader or business leader? I know Bob McCue was a Bishop. And Chesney, the former Oklahoma City Temple President.  Anybody else I can add to my list?
 
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Don't forget that loveable General Authority, George P Lee.

Oh, wait. He may not have resigned, but was actually ex'ed for feeling up little girls.

Does that count?

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Who is this Temple Prez in Oklahoma who left the church? Any details?
 
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Crime Dog:Don't forget that loveable General Authority, George P Lee.

Oh, wait. He may not have resigned, but was actually ex'ed for feeling up little girls.

Does that count?

See what sin will do to a fellow?


  


And here I thought he was X-ed for being outspoken on the church's position on Native Americans. I guess he really left because he just wanted to sin.

This may be a good example of how hard it will be to find a credible specimen.  I think slander quickly follows the departure of any "ranking" authority making it easy for TBMs to dismiss them as fallen sinners.

Spence Kinnard might have made a good choice, had it not been for that torrid affair he had with his secretary (at least that's the story - not to imply that it didn't happen).  No telling if a loss of faith preceded the affair.  Oh well, too late now.  "He just wanted to sin."
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Ken Clark. I think he appeared in the PBS mormon documentary film. He used to be an institute director at the university in Moscow, Idaho. I've read his exit story somewhere online, but I can't remember where.
 
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Crime Dog:Don't forget that loveable General Authority, George P Lee.

Oh, wait. He may not have resigned, but was actually ex'ed for feeling up little girls.

Does that count?

See what sin will do to a fellow?


  


And here I thought he was X-ed for being outspoken on the church's position on Native Americans. I guess he really left because he just wanted to sin.

This may be a good example of how hard it will be to find a credible specimen.  I think slander quickly follows the departure of any "ranking" authority making it easy for TBMs to dismiss them as fallen sinners.

Spence Kinnard might have made a good choice, had it not been for that torrid affair he had with his secretary (at least that's the story - not to imply that it didn't happen).  No telling if a loss of faith preceded the affair.  Oh well, too late now.  "He just wanted to sin."


He "wanted to sin." Yeah, right. Woke up one morning and said, "Damn, I want to be a pedophile so bad I can taste it." No, that asshat is a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Guys like him are born with screwed up wiring. You can bet your tithing money he was fondling kids and doing child porn years before he got caught, and yes, that means while he was a General Authority. The divinely inspired leaders of MoInc were about as discerning with this piece of shit as they were with Mark Hofmann.
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Jerrell Chesney was the Oklahoma City Temple President from 2001-2005.  He was a SP and Bishop before that.  He and his wife resigned in 2006.  Here's the link to an article about him: http://www.thefoyer.org/viewtopic.php?t=1474
 
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At first I was going to say that early mormon history was replete with people who have defected from mormonism and that was no longer the case. However, I can recall many people in bishoprics and stake presidencies who have left. There probably aren't as many prominent LDS leaders who have left, but there still continues to be professors from BYU and other higher learning institutions who leave. There are lots of members of the Quorum of the Seventy who have left. It's kind of difficult to track them all down though.
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Crime Dog:Don't forget that loveable General Authority, George P Lee.

Oh, wait. He may not have resigned, but was actually ex'ed for feeling up little girls.

Does that count?

See what sin will do to a fellow?


  


Not to, you know, go off topic or anything, but why the hell do mug shots look so horrid?? Did you see the one of the Wendover police chief's stripper drug-dealing wife? http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_6685728  3/4ths of the comments were about why anyone would want to see her strip. I'm sure she's semi-pretty, but the mug shot.....man....wonder what she's wearing under that blanket.
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Lincoln:I'm compiling a list of Mormon leaders and other high ranking Mormons who've resigned. Not that anyone with a high calling in Mormonism is any better than any of the rest of us, just that it seems more improbable that they would find out the truth after a life of servitude to the corporation, and make the decision to exit. And it may hold more weight when I discuss resignation with my family to be able to tell them "Yeah, and so-and-so resigned, and he used to be the Oklahoma City Temple president." It will probably carry a little more weight with TBMs.  Who has resigned that was either a high ranking church leader or business leader? I know Bob McCue was a Bishop. And Chesney, the former Oklahoma City Temple President.  Anybody else I can add to my list?

 
How about the men who served with Joseph Smith? Oliver Cowdery, William Law, etc. I can't imagine someone falling away after having an experience as claimed like Oliver receiving the priesthood from angels... And William Law had an inside view on Joseph's lies about polygamy / polyandry. 
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Cato:Ken Clark. I think he appeared in the PBS mormon documentary film. He used to be an institute director at the university in Moscow, Idaho. I've read his exit story somewhere online, but I can't remember where.


I like Ken Clark's story, here is the link: http://www.exmormon.org/whylft149.htm
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One thing that makes this list very hard to compile is that until about 20 years ago the Church did not allow anyone to resign. If you were guilty of any kind of apostasy or heresy, they would excommunicate you. Being excommunicated was a near death sentence when the Church had more control of the corridor.

 

So there are many who might have been resigning, but were instead excommunicated. These individuals get mixed in with those who were voluntarily excommunicated for transgression—but still retained faith in the Church.

 

For many high ranking historical figures it is very hard to know. Their families usually remained true to the Church. We therefore might only have the Church’s side of the Story to go on as the families would bury evidence of apostasy. Take  Thomas Stuart Ferguson for example. There are still apologists who deny that Ferguson every denied the faith, however the evidence of that fact is overwhelming.

 

Or, take the last member of the 12 to be excommunicated, Richard R. Lyman in 1943. There is mystery surrounding the events but it appears that he had taken a second wife many years prior. Does this count as sin, apostasy or what? John W. Taylor, was also excommunicated from the 12 as a political maneuver, but he seems to have fallen into true apostasy in later years.

 

The Church even claims—to some extent—those who adamantly denied the Church. Take David Whitmer. The Church states that “he never denied his testimony of the Book of Mormon”. Although to read his writings he was no fan of the Church.

 

You have you work cut out for you, both compiling the list and convincing believers that your list is not just a list of sinners.

 

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Jerrell Chesney was the Oklahoma City Temple President from 2001-2005.  He was a SP and Bishop before that.  He and his wife resigned in 2006.  Here's the link to an article about him: http://www.thefoyer.org/viewtopic.php?t=1474[/QUOTE]

 

Hi, Lincoln.

 

I live in Oklahoma and am hoping, like many others, that the Chesney's decide to become more public with their disaffection from Mormonism.  I think they would be very influential in the exmo community.

 

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I believe that Simon Southerton was a bishop. He is the author of Losing a Lost Tribe which is about the DNA of the "Lamanites" which was his wake up call.. Em
 
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don't forget SLDrone, he used to post over on RfM a few years back.  He has since posted his real name, but I don't have it anymore.

He was a misson president, then left the church

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John Larsen:

One thing that makes this list very hard to compile is that until about 20 years ago the Church did not allow anyone to resign. If you were guilty of any kind of apostasy or heresy, they would excommunicate you. Being excommunicated was a near death sentence when the Church had more control of the corridor.

True.  Great point John.  It wasn't until Norman and Muriel Hancock of Mesa, AZ, held the Church over a barrel with an $18 million defamation lawsuit that the church actually "allowed" name removal.  The church back-dated the Hancocks name removals to March 4, 1984, but they actually occured when the case was settled and dismissed from court February 21, 1985.  Here's a link to their story, its an interesting read:  http://mormonalliance.org/casereports/volume3/part1/v3p1c05.htm

 

So I am really looking for cases since 1985, like Norman and Muriel Hancock's case.  Simon Southerton was excommunicated I believe.  Not that there is that much difference, but I am compiling the list for the benefit of TBMs.  Many of them are not as open-minded about excommunicated members as we all are.  Some TBMs discount an excommunicated member because of their "sins."  In contrast, I don't know that many active members are even aware that resignation or name removal even exists, nor the fact that over 100,000 members are resigning annually. 

 

So far I have three bishops, two mission presidents, an Institute Director, and a temple president.  I only started this list a couple days ago, and I want to see how big it can get.  Has anybody got any information on SLDrone?  It's too bad that RfM deletes the posts and doesn't archive everything.  I'd like to track down SLDrone's story.

 
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You might contact Light House Ministries and Good Hope Ministry (?? The ones that did the Jesus vs. Joseph Smith dvd) and see if they have a list or know anyone. They both work with ex-mormons.
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Lincoln:

If you are in Utah you might want to come to the Karaoke party on Saturday. There are usually a couple of ex-bishops there and there are many who know someone who….

 

But, to paraphrase Yoda: Callings do not make ex Mormons great.

 

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Lincoln, unfortunately most TBMs consider doubt and finding fault a sin. It's a tough row to hoe no matter how big your list gets. Most if not all of your friends will consider them sinners and will testify that the power of Satan is strong in these latter days. If they resigned, well they just beat the Bishop's Court to the punch (picture hands over ears, eyes closed, mouth saying, "la la la la la, I can't hear you").
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bow_your_head&say_no:Lincoln, unfortunately most TBMs consider doubt and finding fault a sin. It's a tough row to hoe no matter how big your list gets. Most if not all of your friends will consider them sinners and will testify that the power of Satan is strong in these latter days.

Not the specific TBMs I have targeted.  They are one step away from understanding.  They are so close to seeing through it, they just need a bit more information.  And they are people that I love.  This isn't just for TBMs in general.  If I were talking about TBMs in general, I would agree with you wholeheartedly.  But this is for a small group of my friends, family and associates.

 

So far, here's my list:

 

-Wendell Hall - Former Mission President Argentina Buenos Aires South

-Steven Sims - Former Mission President Portugal Porto

-Jerrell Chesney - Former Temple President Oklahoma City Oklahoma

-Kenneth Clark - Former Institute Director University of Idaho

-Robert McCue - Former Bishop Calgary Canada

 

If any of you can add to this list of resignees (from the past 25 years, or so) please let me know!  Any more of you out there?  Help me out.

 
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KimberlyAnn:

I live in Oklahoma and am hoping, like many others, that the Chesney's decide to become more public with their disaffection from Mormonism.  I think they would be very influential in the exmo community.



When I read that the Chesney's and resigned, I thought it couldn't be true that a temple president would leave.  So I decided to put on my investigative hat and used the internet to find him.  I wanted to hear it from him and why.  I found his address and phone number and called and left him a message.  He phoned me back on Sunday night!  At first he wouldn't say too much about his reasons until I had told him my own story and what I was going through.  Once he realized that I was well on my way to exiting, he opened up and shared with me his experiences and reasons for resigning in 2006.  He'd been a bishop, stake president and temple president over the years and witnessed many things that caused him to question in his heart, but he always managed to just put these issues on the shelf.  However, eventually the issues compounded and he could no longer remain honest to himself and live a life of integrity knowing that there was so much deceit from within the church, particularly from the leadership.  He explained to me that he doesn't want to destroy the faith of people, which is why he is cautious about talking to others about his experiences.  He and his wife are still very much christian believers and hope to bring other unto Christ.   His departure from the church didn't have anything to do with any anti-mormon information.  He hadn't read or studied any church history.  His disbeleif occured from the blatant deceit exercised by church authorities and the coverup of truth.  Only now are  he and his wife beginning to peice together the full picture of church history and doctrinal teachings that have been changed so much over the years.  His reasons for leaving, becides the deceit and cover up, are now being validated by other sources.  I hope that someday he will publically tell his story.  I invited him to come and visit postmormon.org and shared with him a few of things we have read and studied. 

It all boils down to being honest with oneself.  When the church preach's and teach's one thing and uses DECEIT to keep the members faithful to those teachings/policies/doctrines, etc, how can it expect those members to live a lie when they find the truth.

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