Dahli-mama:
When my nephew took his sweet life a yr. and half ago I was devastated. He came home early from his mission. He was traumatized by the experience and then in the shame he felt {and was not so subtly infused from years of being told that to come home or not serve was akin to a death sentence or set up for a lifetime of failure), he did what some young men who are faced with all that judgement and cruel ostricization feel and do, he took his own life. It still brings me to my knees with sadness and longing for all that he could have been and would have been if the LDS church and it's culture had not infused such horrific emotional abuse on his sweet pliable mind. In this I cannot forgive this harmful cult. --------Dr. Wilsons account of the young woman who was sure her children would be saved if they died before the "age of accountability" is something that the LDS people should bear collective shame for since they continue to preach such bullshit and play on the very tender hearts and fears of their own people. Any that would deny that such things are NOT DOCTRINAL are full of crap. I heard it, read it, saw it with my own eyes. When my own daughter passed away from genetic defects that could not be corrected I was told the same placebo baloney, that she would be better off in Mormon Heaven because she died before the age of accountablity. My son was in first grade when his little sister died and he too was filled with the illusion that to die before turning eight was almost a golden ticket into heaven. At six years old he was contemplating his glorious death so he too could "Go to the Celestial Kingdom". ---The LDS church and it's doctrine are equal to the Taliban to me in the way they teach our young people to glorify their own deaths for the imagined rewards of heaven. Hell, just strap some C-4 to their chest and send them into a church nursery and you could make sure they all go to Mormon Heaven. -------Just don't give me 70 virgin men. I've had virgin men. It's no picnic. They're done before the nightgown is off.
During the time I was most suicidal -- right as I was coming out to myself but hadn't yet done anything about it or left the church -- I thought, "suicide will send me to the telestial kingdom; so will being gay. Might as well be done with it." I'm glad I survived that thought.
If I were a woman I'd certainly be a lesbian because I simply don't know how y'all can be into us guys and our various offensive odors, obnoxious noises, hairy bodies, juvenile antics, etc. What exactly is the attraction anyway?
The energy.
I love the masculine energy.
Certain body parts are very nice to do things with, but it comes down to the energy and the way it fits so naturally with my energy.
Honestly, line up a hundred women and a hundred men and I will find a much, much larger percentage of the women attractive than the men - I like the way women look/move/wear clothing, etc. With men I am much more picky about attractiveness.
But when it comes to the energy of it, I am much more comfortable being around women (friends) and with men (romance / sex / relationship.)
Isn't chemical castration something that is often done to rapists and other sex offenders?
So by suggesting this as a "solution" for gay mormons, the poster over at MADB is essentially (IMO) grouping gay individuals with rapists and child molesters.
As if being gay is a crime or a problem that needs intervention. Disgusting.
In an earlier post, I mentioned that our pleasant little neighborhood (eight houses) was 25% gay by household.
A couple of weeks ago, I mentioned that I was looking for some used golf clubs for the 16 year old son of an unemployed single Mom in the next town. The son wanted to learn to play golf and couldn’t afford clubs.
Ten minutes later, our gay neighbor knocked on my door with a very nice set of clubs, bag and all, and asked me to give them to the boy. These have since become the boy’s prize possessions.
This and many other acts of kindness were reasons that I was shocked to read on the MADB board the other day that, had this gay individual been Mormon, he may well have had members suggesting that, instead of living in a mutually supportive and loving relationship, he should voluntarily chemically castrate himself.
When I actually opened and read the post, I thought about someone suggesting that to my friend in person, and almost wished that this Mormon author could have that opportunity.
For a moment, I imagined this Mormon individual receiving a personal lesson in gay pride that would take effect faster than any anti-gonadal chemicals. (But it was just a fantasy. Our neighbors are in excellent physical condition, but would never cause bodily injury to another except in self defense.)
I apologize if posting this seems inappropriate. But the more I thought about this apparently acceptable Mormon viewpoint, the more upsetting it was.
I have heard some pretty silly, and even (perhaps unintentional) malevolent, suggestions for helping apostates or potential apostates to come back to the fold and live in accordance with gospel principles. But this one takes the cake.
Again, if apologies are needed for posting this bit or Mormon insight and wisdom, you have mine.
If this is too off the wall to respond to, please just ignore it. However, I get upset just thinking about this. I makes me embarrassed to be a member of the Church, even if in name only (which I hasten to assure you is the case.)
I wanted to let this community know what kind of irrational (twisted?) thinking goes on in the minds of supposedly faithful members of the Church when it comes to what they view to be God's will.
I just dont know where these types of ideas come from.
Thanks G Garden for your dilligence and thoughtfulness in posting.
Oh, and by the way, I vote that you get to stay on post mo. How could we do without your input. You've got to be at least a 2nd tier C kingdom candidate. You can play in my garden any time!
This was a really disgusting suggestion. I am really glad that many people on the thread, even TBM, were horrified by the suggestion. I guess that is something at least!
I hope the fact that TBMs would suggest this causes a significant amount of cogdis to the rest of the TBMs who would be horrified by this. I hope they can see how their cult religion fosters this type of belief!!
If this is too off the wall to respond to, please just ignore it. However, I get upset just thinking about this. I makes me embarrassed to be a member of the Church, even if in name only (which I hasten to assure you is the case.)
I wanted to let this community know what kind of irrational (twisted?) thinking goes on in the minds of supposedly faithful members of the Church when it comes to what they view to be God's will.
I just dont know where these types of ideas come from.
Ditto that!
Good Evening Chris,
Glad you tuned in. Looks as if the UK post-mos may have the opportunity for some cheap entertainment from overseas in the next few days.
If you haven's seen Stormie's post on this issue, you might want to check it out.
I understand that American politics and religion were a constant and reliable source of amusement for Brits during the Bush administration, and it looks as if we might be able to continue in that role, at least when it comes to religion and religious intolerance.
If this is too off the wall to respond to, please just ignore it. However, I get upset just thinking about this. I makes me embarrassed to be a member of the Church, even if in name only (which I hasten to assure you is the case.)
I wanted to let this community know what kind of irrational (twisted?) thinking goes on in the minds of supposedly faithful members of the Church when it comes to what they view to be God's will.
I just dont know where these types of ideas come from.
Ditto that!
Good Evening Chris,
Glad you tuned in. Looks as if the UK post-mos may have the opportunity for some cheap entertainment from overseas in the next few days.
If you haven's seen Stormie's post on this issue, you might want to check it out.
I understand that American politics and religion were a constant and reliable source of amusement for Btits during the Bush administration, and it looks as if we might be able to continue in that role, at least when it comes to religion and religious intolerance.
Hi Dr W
Just about to sign off for the night. DW is heading off to college for the evening, and I have the 5 little ones to take care of.
I love George Dubya, I had a calendar counting down his departure from the white house with Bushisms on each page. Made me giggle more than once.
So after that Guy made it to Pres, I'm not easily surpsired by the Kooky ideas like chemical castration for Gay people coming from the US. But not to be out done, we in the UK have more than our fair share of nuts! We have just voted in 2 European members of parliment from the far right British National Party.
Seems as though extremist views (like chem castration) are not limited to your side of the pond.
This isn't off the wall at all to me. My stepmother and her children think that homosexuals should just be killed because you can't change them. She's super hard-core mormon and was raised around fundamentalists. It makes me laugh whenever she speaks, but she does put the fear in me knowing that people can have such opinions and appear to be sane on the outside.
Was just talking with DW who is in Springville, UT this evening. (Our home is just south of Boca Raton, in Florida).
I told her about this thread and asked her if she was uncomfortable with it. She sounded surprised and then said, "No".
Then she told me that she had just found out that one our distant relatives, on her side of the family, had actually been chemically castrated several years ago.
This was with the full support of his TBM parents, who had paid several tens of thousands of dollars in reaching the decision, and for the initial medical evaluation and "treatment".
The parents are now in their eighties. This was related to her directly by the parents themselves while she was in their home. The whole story is long, and she did not give me the details.
The parents are still very upset about what happened. They said that it nearly destroyed their family. They were good people and, I believe(d), good parents.
I knew this relative as a teenager. He went on a mission. (Not positive that he completed it.) He was a good sensitive kid, and I am not surprised that he eventually came out.
I knew that he had "left the Church" while our family lived overseas. I never thought about the fact that he was not mentioned after we returned. As a boy, he was mildly autistic but perfectly capable of functioning on his own, and did so.
Don't know what else to say, except it appears that the Chemical Castration thread on MADB might have been more than idle speculation.
Then she told me that she had just found out that one our distant relatives, on her side of the family, had actually been chemically castrated several years ago.
...
I am truly sad this evening.
The movie "Rope" is about two college students who murder a fellow student with a rope, just to see what it feels like to kill someone. Their inspiration is a former teacher (played by Jimmy Stewart) who talked about how we should be free to murder whomever we feel "deserves" to be removed from the population.
The teacher spoke in theoretical terms. He never intended for anyone to take him seriously, much less to ever carry out a murder.
The "castration" idea as an "idea" (if it even qualifies as an "idea"), even as a "theory" of what could be done, is abhorrent.
That it was ever carried out, even on one person, defies description. Hearing you recount this makes me "truly sad" as well.
An unfortunate typo slipped by in my response to you yesterday.
As I'm sure you guessed, the mis-spelled word "Btits" should have been Brits.
Normally I would have not pointed out a typo, (especially one of my own), but this one could have been taken the wrong way if one were to think it was intentional.
(And we would not want any international bad feelings over a typo.)
An unfortunate typo slipped by in my response to you yesterday.
As I'm sure you guessed, the mis-spelled word "Btits" should have been Brits.
Normally I would have not pointed out a typo, (especially one of mine), but this one could have been taken the wrong way if one were to think it was intentional.
(And we would not want any international bad feelings over a typo.)
