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I'm new to Postmo and have been lurking here for a few months.  By way of background, I've lived most of my life in SoCal, LDS by birth but never practiced and don't intend to.  A huge change in my life is coming---I'm relocating to the Salt Lake City area for business. We have made several investigatory trips to the SLC area and, for want of a better term, have been a bit "creeped-out".    

 

I have found a guide to hiking trails near Salt Lake City, a list of vegetarian restaurants, the history of Salt Lake City, etc., etc.  BUT I have found nothing which gives us a flavor of what we are getting into.  

 

The bottom line is that I found the Salt Lake City area to be culturally bizarre. I'm not sure whether this will be a good move or not.  The jury is still out.... Still in the process of gathering information.  Looking for additional resources (books, movies, magazines, etc.).  Any suggestions?  I can figure out where to go fishing when we get there-- what I want to get a feel for what to expect living in a Mormon-dominated culture.

 

All input is appreciated.

 

 
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Welcome to Post-mo, Nuvi.

 

Glad you decided to post here.

 

The only comment that I can make as one who does not live in Utah, but has family there and visits often, is that I understand how you can be creeped out by Utah culture. Generally the further away from SLC you go in Utah, the more culturally bizarre it gets.

 

Several months ago my son received an offer for an excellent job in SLC. He finally accepted a similar job elsewhere with lower pay and fewer benefits, just to avoid moving to Utah (and he is TBM).

 

DISCLAIMER: If anyone living in Utah finds these comments offensive, I apologize. But if you moved away for a few years (especially to the east or west coasts) and went back, you would clearly see where this attitude towards Utah comes from.

 
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DrW, thanks for that info.

 

I'm a left-brainer (think linear as in good skiing-check, low crime rate-check, international airport-check, etc.) My wife, on the other hand, is a right-brain intuitive. She wants to pick up the "vibe" of the place. Short of dangling her from a helicopter and flying over SL valley on the summer solstice, we are looking for some resources that will give her a feel for the soul of the place. Books? Magazines? Baked goods? A zeitgeist injection if you will.

 

 

 

 
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ABORT! ABORT! ABORT!.....

 

My sincerest condolances. Since bailing Utah, the Church has been a significantly less part of my life. I can handle one Sunday a week with DW. When we lived in Utah, it was part of every day life -- coworkers, the news, etc.

 
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DrW:

Welcome to Post-mo, Nuvi.

 

Glad you decided to post here.

 

The only comment that I can make as one who does not live in Utah, but has family there and visits often, is that I understand how you can be creeped out by Utah culture. Generally the further away from SLC you go in Utah, the more culturally bizarre it gets.

 

Several months ago my son received an offer for an excellent job in SLC. He finally accepted a similar job elsewhere with lower pay and fewer benefits, just to avoid moving to Utah (and he is TBM).

 

DISCLAIMER: If anyone living in Utah finds these comments offensive, I apologize. But if you moved away for a few years (especially to the east or west coasts) and went back, you would clearly see where this attitude towards Utah comes from.

 

No offense taken.  It is really true. 

 

Nuvi, there are several Blogs including my own that discuss life in Utah.  If you have an LDS background at all you will appreciate the content of those blogs. 

 

The most frustrating times to live in Utah are during the Legislative session (which is in progress now) and during elections. 

 

If you have not resigned you will like get some "fellowshipping" from the local ward members.  Meeting these folks can be interesting and somewhat rewarding...if you realize they are interested in you as a project and will not likely be bffs.

 

Good luck with your move.  Welcome to postmo!

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Don't do it.

 

Go with the creeped-out feeling.  It doesn't get better.

 

Let me give another example of how weird it is here.  The other day my wife and I went to a store in downtown SLC that sells lingerie, porn and sex toys.  We were immediately informed that we need to produce ID's to show we were over 18 (or was it 21?  I bet it was 21).  I can accept that, even though we are both clearly over 18.  Then the employee informed us that they must KEEP our IDs while we are in the store.  Turns out my wife forgot to bring her ID so we gave up on the idea.

 

Keep our IDs while we shop?!  WTF is the purpose of that?  I can testify without any facts, just my own feelings (which is better than facts according to the cult) that there is a law enacted in this f&cking bizarre state making lingerie, porn and sex toy shop owners hang on to your ID until you leave.  The Spirit tells me they are required to scan your ID or copy your name and address so The Church can be informed that you were attempting to enjoy garmentless sex or some sort of unspeakable penetration with your SO.

 

I've got to move out of here (and I'm from Utah)  

 

 

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Utah is perhaps one of the most beautiful and varied state of the west, after my home state of Arizona of course. If you enjoy outdoor activities, you can really do no better. Salt Lake is as close to a cosmopolitan city as you can get in the entire region west of Denver and East of California. I view Temple square as a sad mormon version of St. Peter's Square. Other than that, it's every other city that sets of my creep-o-meter.

 

Oh yeah, I hate the stupid grid addresses.  

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DrW:

Welcome to Post-mo, Nuvi.

 

Glad you decided to post here.

 

The only comment that I can make as one who does not live in Utah, but has family there and visits often, is that I understand how you can be creeped out by Utah culture. Generally the further away from SLC you go in Utah, the more culturally bizarre it gets.

 

Several months ago my son received an offer for an excellent job in SLC. He finally accepted a similar job elsewhere with lower pay and fewer benefits, just to avoid moving to Utah (and he is TBM).

 

DISCLAIMER: If anyone living in Utah finds these comments offensive, I apologize. But if you moved away for a few years (especially to the east or west coasts) and went back, you would clearly see where this attitude towards Utah comes from.

 

I think this can be the key.  I have a son who lives near to the down town area and is able to avoid a lot of the "mormonthink" culture.  The more rural and South you go from the city the more the neighborhoods revolve around the church.

 

I also think the closer you live to the University of Utah area the better it is.  I also think (I'm probably wrong.) some of the communities like "Day Break" might be more centered on things not involving the LDS church.

 

I'm not sure about publications etc.  The "City Weekly" newspaper definitely centers on non Mormon things.

 

Of course all of this is coming from a person that was born and raised a Mormon in Utah (a few years out for military in California) and lives away from the city.  We do have a little diversity in the neighborhood with a Catholic school etc.

 
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Dude, you're screwed.

 

I'm a believing Mormon and even I'm glad I no longer live among them.

 
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If you want a good vegetarian restaurant, there's a vietnamese place on 13th S. State that I hear is good.  It's in a strip mall but don't let that scare you.

If you're waiting for me to tell you you'll love Utard as much as Cali, don't hold your breath.  I pretty much hate it here.   But I don't hate it as much as I did 5 years ago.  I guess that means that it's growing on me.  Utard is coming into it's own.  WHy, you don't even need a membership if you want to go to the Bayou anymore.  You can just walk right in and order a drink!  And SLC employees get domestic partner benefits under the new mayor.


When I first moved here, I lived near the U on 11th and 2nd in this great old 5 bedroom 3 bath house.  I lived there for 5 years.  I loved that area.  The closer to the city the better.

 

My suggestion is to repeat what others have said.  Try to find a house in the avenues area or somewhere on the East bench.  I would truly love to live there again.  If you're selling real estate in Cali to move here, you should be able to afford it. 

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I also think (I'm probably wrong.) some of the communities like "Day Break" might be more centered on things not involving the LDS church.

 

Day Break just got it's own temple.  Don't move there.  It's little momo ville.

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Green Jello:

Don't do it.

 

Go with the creeped-out feeling.  It doesn't get better.

 

Let me give another example of how weird it is here.  The other day my wife and I went to a store in downtown SLC that sells lingerie, porn and sex toys.  We were immediately informed that we need to produce ID's to show we were over 18 (or was it 21?  I bet it was 21).  I can accept that, even though we are both clearly over 18.  Then the employee informed us that they must KEEP our IDs while we are in the store.  Turns out my wife forgot to bring her ID so we gave up on the idea.

 

Keep our IDs while we shop?!  WTF is the purpose of that?  I can testify without any facts, just my own feelings (which is better than facts according to the cult) that there is a law enacted in this f&cking bizarre state making lingerie, porn and sex toy shop owners hang on to your ID until you leave.  The Spirit tells me they are required to scan your ID or copy your name and address so The Church can be informed that you were attempting to enjoy garmentless sex or some sort of unspeakable penetration with your SO.

 

I've got to move out of here (and I'm from Utah)  

 

 

 

This was at Doctor John's, wasn't it? Been there, done that, a total hassle, and their stuff is ridiculously over priced. Especially their lingerie.

 

Try any of the Blue Boutiques scattered around. Much friendlier. They might check your ID depending on how old you look, but they don't keep it. Better prices too.

 

But I definitely agree with the "moving out of here" part. I'm hoping to get a job in Portland so we can do just that. 

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nuvi:

I'm a left-brainer (think linear as in good skiing-check, low crime rate-check, international airport-check, etc.) My wife, on the other hand, is a right-brain intuitive. She wants to pick up the "vibe" of the place. Short of dangling her from a helicopter and flying over SL valley on the summer solstice, we are looking for some resources that will give her a feel for the soul of the place. Books? Magazines? Baked goods? A zeitgeist injection if you will.  

 

 

Good luck, nuvi.  You're gonna need it.       (Love the avi, btw.)

 

 

A few suggestions....  

 

BOOK

 

THE SIN CODE by Hunter S. Cooper.  Historical fiction...great read.  An outsider's view (quite accurate, imo) of the Utah/Mormon culture.  At one point in the story he talks about touring Temple Square... and describes the tour guide as a "marshmallow with a smile painted on it."  

 

(See amazon.com. Download to a Kindle, Mac or PC.) 

 

The Sin Code 

 

FOOD 

 

 In addition, try some fry sauce to get a real flavor...

 

 Fry sauce, in all its splendor.

 

 

 

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I also think (I'm probably wrong.) some of the communities like "Day Break" might be more centered on things not involving the LDS church.

 

Day Break just got it's own temple.  Don't move there.  It's little momo ville.

 

Apostate:  I live in Daybreak,  we have an active wine tasting group, it is a community where green or environmental policies are acceptable.  You can talk about global warming with intelligent people.  Yeah there are a bunch of TBM's but we also ahve a bunch of nevermo's as well.  I work as a realtor and I have been personally responsible for helping increase the diversity.  Kennecott Land and Rio Tinto (the parent corp.) are world wide corporations who support the building of Pubs and other non  LDS gathering points.  Sure we have a temple, but we have dog parks, walking trails, nice homes and as much diversity as any community with the exception of Salt Lake City.  We have a much lower crime rate than Salt lake city.  Trax starts running in 12 months linking Daybreak to the University of Utah and downtown Salt Lake City.

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You're going to love Utah, nuvi, I honestly think so. It sounds like you're interested in nature and outdoor sports, so here's something for you to check out. My favorite blog has nothing to do with Mormonism (except a very occasional rant about the Utah legislature) but it's all about exploring the wonders of nature in Utah: http://watchingtheworldwakeup.blogspot.com/
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Alastor Moddy:

ABORT! ABORT! ABORT!.....

 

My sincerest condolances. Since bailing Utah, the Church has been a significantly less part of my life. I can handle one Sunday a week with DW. When we lived in Utah, it was part of every day life -- coworkers, the news, etc.

 

 I second this sincerely.  I lived in Utah 13 years (moved from CA) and I am SO glad to be out of there!!  I don't have to hear about the latest profit's birthday and get conference reports on the local news anymore.  I don't have co-workers going on about their ward and what's happening in it.  I don't see billboards for "mormon movies" all up and down the freeway. 

I honestly don't find Utah any more naturally beautiful than a lot of other states.  Central Utah looks about like where I live now (SE AZ) without the mesquite trees and cactus.  We have mountains here (which stunned my mom when she first visited--guess she thought AZ was flat), we have forests, lakes, rivers, etc. 

We don't have freezing temps and snow, and for me that's one of the biggest pluses.  

 
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I'm from Utah. Lived there 30+ years.

 

I escaped several years ago.

 

I'll never move back.

 

Ever. 

 
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I love the variety of answers here. 

 

As a convert and now a PostMo, I love it here.  But it took some time.  I've lived in So Calif, SC, Florida, and the past 20 years, in Utah.

 

Interestingly, my only active child would rather live elsewhere, so he does.  My kids have traveled quite a bit and find the beauty of Utah and the seasonal changes a plus. Yes, there are annoying things for sure.  But Utah has a relatively low crime rate, it's cleaner than many places, and there is much to do for those who enjoy outside activities.

 

 

 

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mamapajama:

I love the variety of answers here. 

 

As a convert and now a PostMo, I love it here.  But it took some time.  I've lived in So Calif, SC, Florida, and the past 20 years, in Utah.

 

Interestingly, my only active child would rather live elsewhere, so he does.  My kids have traveled quite a bit and find the beauty of Utah and the seasonal changes a plus. Yes, there are annoying things for sure.  But Utah has a relatively low crime rate, it's cleaner than many places, and there is much to do for those who enjoy outside activities.

 

 

 

 

I've never seen the draw of "seasonal changes," personally, since that term generally means you have ungodly cold and snow in the winter.  We have seasons here, they just don't "change" as dramatically.  I'd love it if it was the same year-round, if it was 80 degrees and sunny.  I'd never get tired of t.

 
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My SIL and her hubby (a good friend of mine) both PostMo's moved to SLC from Idaho Falls and found it to be a good experience. Both of them were pretty hostile toward all things Mormon, so the move confused me at first. From what I understand, SLC isn't as "wierd" as other areas of the Jello-Belt (as my recent trip to Provo confirmed). One thing that certainly eased their adjustment was living near the University of Utah, according to them the crowd is a bit more liberal up there. They seem to really like it and found a lot of redeeming qualities about the area and have discovered that even in the heart of Mormondom one can find good coffee, good wine and good beer (though they still ask that when I or my BIL in Vegas are coming to visit, we bring a few select beers that are difficult to acquire in Utah).
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mamapajama:

I love the variety of answers here. 

 

As a convert and now a PostMo, I love it here.  But it took some time.  I've lived in So Calif, SC, Florida, and the past 20 years, in Utah.

 

Interestingly, my only active child would rather live elsewhere, so he does.  My kids have traveled quite a bit and find the beauty of Utah and the seasonal changes a plus. Yes, there are annoying things for sure.  But Utah has a relatively low crime rate, it's cleaner than many places, and there is much to do for those who enjoy outside activities. 

 

 

I loved Utah for all these reasons when I lived there. And I met lots of people who moved to Utah for the great outdoors. In fact, last time I was there visiting I met someone just like that while I was out hiking. 

 

To these people Mormonism is a sideshow. Sure, it affects public policy and thus their lives. But they don't worry about it or obsess over it.

 

I love to visit Utah. I love the mountains -- in all seasons. I love Southern Utah.

 

But, having lived outside of the Zion Curtain long enough, I just couldn't move back. Too much family. Too many expectations -- all of the Mormon-related.

 

I'll keep visiting -- I'll just never live there again. 

 

 
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A lot of my relatives are from Utah.  I could live in Utah if I had the right job etc but I don't mind living around people that aren't "my type" of people.  There is a non Mormon subculture in Utah.  Moab is a very nice place. Still, if your creep-o-meter goes off in SLC, you might want to run. 

 

SLC is about as normal as Utah gets.

 

 

ETA: They would have to pay me more money than I make now to move to Utah.  It's not a place I yearn for.

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I'm a non-native who currently lives in SLC on the East Bench and have lived Downtown.  I will be moving as soon as I get a job out of state. 

 

That said, my experience hasn't been as bad as that of others.  I'm up at the U of U, so all of my colleagues and friends are non-Mormon (DW has had a different experience, mainly dealing with inappropriate religion in the workplace).  There are some decent coffee shops (down by 9th and 9th and on 4th South) and a few okay restaurants.  The symphony is fine, the local theatres offer good shows (the off-color hit "Avenue Q" was in town a few weeks ago -- hilarious), and there are always many lecutres and movie screenings at the downtown library.  Sundance fun if you can get tickets.  There are three great public radio stations here (four if you count KBYU), making it heaven for NPR junkies -- I can listen to Terry Gross two times in a row each day!  Obviously, it's a great city for people who are physically active and enjoy the outdoors with good weather and mountains.

 

The City Weekly, our local alt-weekly, may provide some of the info you seek.

 

But, as others have indicated, it's not for everybody.  No offense to anyone, but many of the locals can be slow on the draw and constantly misunderstand sarcasm.  That, or perhaps I'm much less witty than I think I am...

 

Oh yeah, and the state legislature is full of assholes.

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Hey, I'm a fellow Southern California guy myself. I moved to Utah in 96, when I was a senior in high school.

 

Here's my take on Utah:

 

The Good: 

- Out door activities: Hiking, camping, snowboarding, etc... all top notch.

- Sundays are great because Mormons typically don't go shopping on Sunday, so places are typically less busy.

- As a post Mormon, I would still say this is a great place for kids and teenagers (as long as you can handle the Mormonism). It's a family-oriented place, and as a teenager, there is always something (a dance, ice blocking, whatever) going on that is probably pretty "wholesome". It can be a little bit like "Leave it to Beaver", but hey maybe that's what you want for your kids. 

(Just a side note... I was (and still am) somewhat of a skateboarder. Growing up in Southern California, there was never any public skateparks around when I was a kid. Utah is lousy with em now, which is super cool in my opinion...) 

 

The Bad: 

- The Winter. At first, as a Southern Californian, the novelty of winter was still new to me, but as the years have worn on, winter really gets to me. It feels like I spend half the year indoors. I hate the cold!

- The culture can be weird, but this has its positives and negatives, too. I think if you keep a positive attitude, you can find that Salt Lake can actually be a pretty cool place. There are some good bars or dance clubs (if that's your scene). It seems that because the predominant culture is so strong, the opposing culture responds accordingly. It mostly is what you make it.

 

Having said all that, my wife and I are actively trying to move to Costa Rica! So take it for what its worth! 

 

Let me know if you have any specific questions and I'd be happy to answer em! 

 
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I grew up in Utah, and moved to Northern California at 28 years of age.  After 7 years, I moved back to Davis County Utah, which, after Utah County, would be considered the Belly of the Beast.

 

I love living here!  Sure most my neighbors are TBM, but several are not.  We have had no issues with our kids feeling isolated or picked on.  On the contrary, they were little celebrities on the first day of school, and have had no problems developing and maintaining quality friendships with kids in and out of the church.

 

There have been some comments about having to show ID at the adult store, and weird liquor laws.  Sure, those laws are more strict than California or Colorado, but compared with the South, we are quite progressive.  

 

Sundays are great because the ski slopes, malls, and campgrounds have less pressure. 

 

For us, we are as comfortable in this area as we are strong in our beliefs.  I observe friends who hate it here, but don't have the balls to kindly and politely tell their well-intentioned neighbor, "no thanks, we are not LDS"...and still be friends.  So they shut themselves off from 65% of the population, even though most of them are good people....with different beliefs.

 

If you want to live with more diversity of thought, try Park City, Sugarhouse, or the Avenues.

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Count me a another who likes living in Utah (Davis County).  I moved in January from a very conservative town in Idaho (Mormon and Nazarene), so the culture change hasn't been too drastic.  I have found that the more I have made my peace with my mormon upbrining, the less church-related stuff annoys me.   I mainly shrug off the church talk at work--We're all far too busy to get into it seriously.   And like others, I love the outdoor stuff. 

 

My TBM family is awesome and I love being around them.  They all live in either Idaho or Utah, so that's where I am too. 

 

I think it all just depends on the reasons you are moving and the type of place you enjoy living in.  I moved for a fantastic job opportunity.  I stopped worrying about everything else right then.

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Utah is a lovely state--if only those Mormons weren't so damn weird.  With an LDS background, you'll at least have the advantage of knowing what people are talking about when they ask what ward you're in, or what your calling is.  Despite the natural beauty of the state, I'd love to leave.  And I agree with the others, SLC is about the closest to "normal" you'll get around here.

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Consider everything I say with a huge grain of salt. I am a huge fan of Utah for a number of reasons, even though I'll jump on any bandwagon and make fun of the local Mormon Utardian culture and add every bit of fuel for the fire.

 

After living in S. California I found some wonderful benefits to living in Utah. I have a place in S. Utah near Zion national Park so my experience is different than what some in SLC might experience.

 

The backward inbred idiotic Faux TV Repugnican folks abound and are incredibly silly, but I've also found some of them to be very kind and generous neighbors. My experience is probably not universal but I went into it knowing what I was dealing with and what it would take to work with them.

 

What it takes in some cases is indifferent diplomacy. Since  you're not active LDS you can make that clear right away and then keep yourself so busy doing fun stuff that the LDS impact doesn't infiltrate your personal life so much.

 

If you're active at all Utah is bliss. I so love the landscape, the variety, the incredible beauty and amazing mountains. From the stark west desert to the Uintahs, and then Moab and Arches down to the slot canyons of Lake Powell and then west again to Zion, Bryce, and the incredible wild canyons of the Kolobs... there are a million weekend trips within short drive and no shortage of new things to see and do if you are inclined to explore.

 

My husband and I go home to S. Utah on the weekends and when we're not gardening we're hiking, camping, driving, or going to a play. Cedar City has the Shakespearean Festival which is truely excellent. SLC has some good live theatre as well and the U of U puts on some great lectures and shows. I've even suffered through the gauntlet at BYU to see some of the amazing museum displays that they sponsor. 

 

 Even in it's ugliest theres something geologically interesting and intruiging. There's volcanic caves near Fillmore, hot springs, ice fishing, incredible bike trails, great rapelling and rock climbing adventure, river trips, white water rafting and just tame floats if that's what floats your boat.

 

I can watch the hokey little town parades, cheesy and paltry and lacking in creativity and still revel in knowing that people are getting together and celebrating some holiday or event that draws them together. In my little town they go around the block twice to make the parade seem longer, and every year it's the same crap over and over again but I still look forward to it because of the very dear neighbors that I've come to love.

 

Important warning: DO NOT eat anything that has the label "Asian Food" south of the SL Valley. Some Utards think microwaved chicken gravy over instant white rice constitutes Asian food.  Most of the Mexican food is authentic. There is not one singel good restaurant in all of Sanpete County. Not one. Bring your own picnic but don't miss out on the fairview museum, Skyline Drive, or Lamb Day in Fountain Green. In Richfield there's a little better food offerings and Mom's Cafe in Salina is pretty good but there's little else till you get to Moab. Moab has some great restaurants but don't bother with the expensive one on the top of the hill. 

 

One can loathe the LDS church but still love or learn to love some of the people. 

 

If all the smart and interesting people leave Utah then I will be very lonely. If more smart and interesting people settle in and tip the balance, we might be able to help the citizens step timidly into the 21st century. Till then, it's still a shame to leave all that gorgeous land to just the Mormons. They haven't gotten the memo, but it's part of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 

 

If it's a good job I would snap that up like candy. Those are hard to come by anymore. There's dozens who would slit your throat just to have the chance at a way to make a living and still live here. 

 

Here's some David Whitten Photographs of this "Pretty Great State".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 If you're inclined to join the UU's they meet in SLC. I'd love to have a UU group in S. Utah but so far we've not gotten organized. Those in SLC should check this group out.

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In the interest of being objective, if you don't harbor the bitterness toward Mormonism that some of us here do, you may just love Utah.  Especially if you enjoy the great outdoors.  My DH works with several former/non-Mormons who love it here.
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I lived in California, now I live in Zion.

 

Actually, as long as you avoid Utah and Davis counties you will probably be just fine.  I think you might find it just like any other place.  Sunday is just more speical here because nothing is crowded.  Nothing creepy about that.  I think it is wonderful.

 

 
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Is it just me or does it seem like folks living in Utah think that Utah is prettier and more accessible to outdoor activities than it actually is.  Don't get me wrong; I have had some great outdoor experiences in Utah.  There are some great places but Utahns talk like you can't enjoy the outdoors if you live someplace else.  Is it Utahn or Utahan? Anyway, Utah is a nice place but it isn't nicer than any other Western state and many places east of the Rockies as well.  For example, California is loaded with outdoor activities if you get away from the urban jungle. Utah has its share of urban jungle.  The traffic and the pollution are as bad SLC as they are in Los Angeles and you can't surf in Utah. 

 

Another thing I have noticed is the majority of Utahns, like the majority of Americans, are couch potatoes.  For most folks, this talk of outdoor activities is just talk.

 

Can anybody tell me what makes Utah more fab than the rest of the world?  I can think of one drawback to Utah and it starts with LDS.

 

 

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Hiker, I lived in S. Cal and we went to the beach a lot and I loved it, but we NEVER had an outdoor wilderness experience that wasn't shared with about 2,000 other people, packed in tight all around us. Even with the numerous mountains and lakes and ocean there was always someone or a party or whatever to interfere in the experience.

 

Utah has BLM lands, vast open areas where you can roadside camp or hike with your dog, places where you can really get away from a lot of the hub bub of the city. SLC is crowded and very polluted but in minutes you can be out in the mountains and have a lot of space. 

 

I know Utah is no more special than other states in the West, but there is so much bashing of the state that goes on and I think sometimes it makes me feel defensive.  I have found some really incredible aspects to living there, yet because of the Mormon factor it's always considered a crappy existence. 

 

Some may argue this but I think my kids got a great education there. We could never afford to live in nice neighborhoods in California and so the schools were always some of the lowest rated in the state, full of crime and very complicated situations. Once we settled into Utah my kids were mostly safe, had a lot of teacher and community support, and more opportunities than I think they would have had otherwise. That may not be the case for everyone. 

 

I have relatives who live in the NW with access to the ocean, mountains, rivers, lakes, gorgeous vistas and most of them spend the bulk of their lives watching tv or going to church. 

 

If money or jobs were not determining factors I'm sure there's lots of places I could live and be happy but some of us have to accept what we have where we have it. I'll be an advocate for the beautiful places of Utah as long as I see it that way. If someone is offered a good job there it would be silly to turn it down unless something better was being offered in another place. 

 
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Utah is a lovely state--if only those Mormons weren't so damn weird.  With an LDS background, you'll at least have the advantage of knowing what people are talking about when they ask what ward you're in, or what your calling is.  Despite the natural beauty of the state, I'd love to leave.  And I agree with the others, SLC is about the closest to "normal" you'll get around here.

 

 Park City is also a pretty civilized (if expensive) alternative.

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Good luck, nuvi.  You're gonna need it.       (Love the avi, btw.)

 

 

A few suggestions....  

 

BOOK

 

THE SIN CODE by Hunter S. Cooper.  Historical fiction...great read.  An outsider's view (quite accurate, imo) of the Utah/Mormon culture.  At one point in the story he talks about touring Temple Square... and describes the tour guide as a "marshmallow with a smile painted on it."  

 

(See http://www.amazon.com/The-Sin-Code-ebook/dp/B002JM0I9U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267385579&sr=1-1. Download to a Kindle or PC.) 

 

The Sin Code 

 

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 In addition, try some fry sauce to get a real flavor...

 

 Fry sauce, in all its splendor.

 

 

 

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Nuvi- Lots of good information regarding Utah and SLC from others.

I absolutely understand your wife’'s inquiry regarding the “soul” of SLC.  I am not Mormon, never have been and have lived in SLC by choice for the past 20 years. Like you, I am a SoCal native. I lurk from time to time on these ex-Mormon boards just for entertainment and to pick up Mormon factoids and amusing cultural trivia. I would never have heard of "Pay Lay Ale (which btw is our bowling team’'s official cheer) without nosing around these posts from my ex-Mormon pals. I read O's post and finally felt that I had to comment---as she captured the SLC zeitgeist: fry sauce, –brilliant!  Plus, I read that book and want to second that recommendation.I lived for years in Georgia. Friends would ask “what should I read to understand Atlanta?” I always told them to read A Man In Full by Tom Wolf. If someone had wanted to feel the soul of Savannah, Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil by John Berendt.  Until recently, The Executioner’s Song and Under the Banner of Heaven were my suggestions regarding Utah. That said, both are a bit too dark and don'’t capture the goofy, dorky, well-meaning-but-bumbling side of Utah culture. There is an  endearing side to this collection of shlubs between Nevada and Colorado.  The Sin Code  is not going to make its author popular at Temple Square but it is far from Mormon-bashing. Think Mark Twain not Fawn Brody.
It is a Kindle book as far as I know but I downloaded it to my pc directly from amazon. Very easy.

 

 

 
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Is it just me or does it seem like folks living in Utah think that Utah is prettier and more accessible to outdoor activities than it actually is.  Don't get me wrong; I have had some great outdoor experiences in Utah.  There are some great places but Utahns talk like you can't enjoy the outdoors if you live someplace else.  Is it Utahn or Utahan? Anyway, Utah is a nice place but it isn't nicer than any other Western state and many places east of the Rockies as well.  For example, California is loaded with outdoor activities if you get away from the urban jungle. Utah has its share of urban jungle.  The traffic and the pollution are as bad SLC as they are in Los Angeles and you can't surf in Utah. 

 

Another thing I have noticed is the majority of Utahns, like the majority of Americans, are couch potatoes.  For most folks, this talk of outdoor activities is just talk.

 

Can anybody tell me what makes Utah more fab than the rest of the world?  I can think of one drawback to Utah and it starts with LDS.

 

 

 

 Hiker, I was wondering the very same thing!  I can hike here, go camping, go boating (yes, there are lakes in southern AZ), and a co-worker of mine has been learning snowboarding (not sure where, but not terribly far from here).  If I was into mountain biking or horseback riding, I can do that around here as well. The campgrounds and hiking trails aren't crammed with people--we could completely get away from civilization for a while if we wanted.

 

We have plenty of great outdoor activities, without being surrounded by Mormonism.

 
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FOOD 

 

 In addition, try some fry sauce to get a real flavor...

 

 Fry sauce, in all its splendor.

 

 

 

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I'm with "O" on everything except dipping a suspiciously phallic-looking french fry into a poop-like sauce.  Enjoy SLC and the rest of Utard as a Post-Mo.  It can be really fun.

 

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FOOD 

 

 In addition, try some fry sauce to get a real flavor...

 

 Fry sauce, in all its splendor.

 

 

 

phelia

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm with "O" on everything except dipping a suspiciously phallic-looking french fry into a poop-like sauce.  Enjoy SLC and the rest of Utard as a Post-Mo.  It can be really fun.

 

 

 That was gross, Dutch.

 

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