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Howdy fellow Post-Mormon posters! I've been looking for a specific quote but have been unable to find it. I have been told by several people that Heber J. Grant, who served on a mission to Japan around the beginning of the 20th century, called Japanese "the Devil's language." I am trying to find the source of this quote, but haven't had any success yet. (I do know that Francis Xavier said the same thing several centuries before.)

 

So... anyone here know where I might find a source for this? 

 
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lol - I was going to refer you to our resident expert on Japanese-Morg relations - The Truth Hurts. Then I realized who'd posted.
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lol - I was going to refer you to our resident expert on Japanese-Morg relations - The Truth Hurts. Then I realized who'd posted.

 

Doh! lol 

 

The people who have told me this have all been at least in their 50s... older businessmen TBMs in Tokyo when I was serving my mission there, and then elder couple missionaries from America elsewhere around the country later. I assume that such a quote exists somewhere, but I have no clue where these people actually read it. I searched for quite a while but was unable to come up with anything, and was wondering if some of the people here who were around in TSCC for a long time might know. There is a lot of evidence showing that Grant struggled with the language (as I mention in my article about Groberg), but I have been unable to find this one quote. 

 
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Google tells me that quote is actually attributed to a 16th century Jesuit missionary.....though that doesn't mean Grant didn't quote or steal that idea at some point.
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Google tells me that quote is actually attributed to a 16th century Jesuit missionary.....though that doesn't mean Grant didn't quote or steal that idea at some point.

 

Yeah, that's Francis Xavier; he led the first Christian mission to Japan. I also assumed the same thing: Either Grant restated what Xavier had originally said, or he said the same thing without knowing what Xavier had originally said. Either way, I have heard the quote attributed to Grant as well by multiple TBMs. As I am still in my 20s, and all the people who told me this were at least in their 50s, my guess is that it was in an older church publication or something that was before my time.

 
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Google tells me that quote is actually attributed to a 16th century Jesuit missionary.....though that doesn't mean Grant didn't quote or steal that idea at some point.

 

Yeah, that's Francis Xavier; he led the first Christian mission to Japan. I also assumed the same thing: Either Grant restated what Xavier had originally said, or he said the same thing without knowing what Xavier had originally said. Either way, I have heard the quote attributed to Grant as well by multiple TBMs. As I am still in my 20s, and all the people who told me this were at least in their 50s, my guess is that it was in an older church publication or something that was before my time.

 

It's also potentially an urban legend with the Xavier quote simply being attributed to Grant.  The fact that so many people recognize the story, but no one knows where it came from are characteristics of urban legend.

 

Even if the quote isn't really by Grant, the fact that the myth has been perpetuated (especially among the over-50 crowd) indicates to me that there IS an underlying prejudice among members of the church.  I doubt people finish that story by saying, "Can you BELIEVE how ignorant President Grant was?!"

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Google tells me that quote is actually attributed to a 16th century Jesuit missionary.....though that doesn't mean Grant didn't quote or steal that idea at some point.

 

Yeah, that's Francis Xavier; he led the first Christian mission to Japan. I also assumed the same thing: Either Grant restated what Xavier had originally said, or he said the same thing without knowing what Xavier had originally said. Either way, I have heard the quote attributed to Grant as well by multiple TBMs. As I am still in my 20s, and all the people who told me this were at least in their 50s, my guess is that it was in an older church publication or something that was before my time.

 

 Ahh yeah. Help if I read the original post in entirety instead of skimming, sorry.

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Howdy fellow Post-Mormon posters! I've been looking for a specific quote but have been unable to find it. I have been told by several people that Heber J. Grant, who served on a mission to Japan around the beginning of the 20th century, called Japanese "the Devil's language." I am trying to find the source of this quote, but haven't had any success yet. (I do know that Francis Xavier said the same thing several centuries before.)

So... anyone here know where I might find a source for this? 

 

[   ]  This may be the source you are looking for.

 

On page 187 of his best selling book, EVEN MORE CRAP THAT I JUST MADE UP BUT YOU MORONS CONTINUE TO BUY IT, SO WHY NOT? , Paul H. Dunn states:

 

"It is well known that the Japanese people enjoy the dessert known as Devil's Food Cake.  Such reverence to this dessert and its inventor (Satan) has caused the Japanese language to become cursed and is widely known among the Brethren as 'the Devil's language.'  While on a mission to Japan, young Elder Heber J. Grant, who would one day become the President of the Church, was attacked by a group of Japanese thugs and later 'dusted his feet' with confectioner's sugar.  The Japanese language has been cursed ever since."

 

 

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"It is well known that the Japanese people enjoy the dessert known as Devil's Food Cake.  Such reverence to this dessert and its inventor (Satan) has caused the Japanese language to become cursed and is widely known among the Brethren as 'the Devil's language.'  While on a mission to Japan, young Elder Heber J. Grant, who would one day become the President of the Church, was attacked by a group of Japanese thugs and later 'dusted his feet' with confectioner's sugar.  The Japanese language has been cursed ever since."

 

 

 

 We all know that confectioners sugar is white and delightsome. That is a perfect things to dust one's feet with in a situation like this. It would be inappropriate to dust ones feet with turbinado sugar in a situation such as this as it is brown like unto an Asian's skin. And we know that only the Laird likes things that are white and delightsome.

 

 

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 This is the closest that I could find to the quote you were looking for:
 
Leaders of the church have remarked that the Japanese “are a wonderful people”1 since the turn of the century when Grant was residing in the country. However, these are generalizing remarks that church leaders frequently make about groups of individuals, and should not be taken at face value. Similar remarks were made by Francis Xavier - a Roman Catholic who lived during the 16th century and was the original propagator of Christianity to Japan. However, Xavier also wrote in a letter to the headquarters of his Jesuit order in Europe that the Japanese language was invented by Satan in order to prevent the gospel from taking root in the country. As a result, Japanese is often misunderstood as “the Devil’s language.”

Unfortunately, these misconceptions were shared by those in Grant’s party, who believed in the “gift of tongues” and the “interpretation of tongues.”2 Indeed, much like Xavier, the first Mormon missionaries to Japan also felt that Japanese was a “dreadful language.3 Grant, who was known for his unyielding persistence,4 was unable to learn the language despite his best efforts (and faith in the gift of tongues).

 

It was found at this link:

http://elderkikuchi.blogspot.com/2010/05/heading-another-heading-row-1-cell-1.html

 

Maybe that is where the myth comes from.

 
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 This is the closest that I could find to the quote you were looking for:
 
Leaders of the church have remarked that the Japanese “are a wonderful people”1 since the turn of the century when Grant was residing in the country. However, these are generalizing remarks that church leaders frequently make about groups of individuals, and should not be taken at face value. Similar remarks were made by Francis Xavier - a Roman Catholic who lived during the 16th century and was the original propagator of Christianity to Japan. However, Xavier also wrote in a letter to the headquarters of his Jesuit order in Europe that the Japanese language was invented by Satan in order to prevent the gospel from taking root in the country. As a result, Japanese is often misunderstood as “the Devil’s language.”

Unfortunately, these misconceptions were shared by those in Grant’s party, who believed in the “gift of tongues” and the “interpretation of tongues.”2 Indeed, much like Xavier, the first Mormon missionaries to Japan also felt that Japanese was a “dreadful language.3 Grant, who was known for his unyielding persistence,4 was unable to learn the language despite his best efforts (and faith in the gift of tongues).

 

It was found at this link:

http://elderkikuchi.blogspot.com/2010/05/heading-another-heading-row-1-cell-1.html

 

Maybe that is where the myth comes from.

 

Isn't that a link to The Truth Hurts's own blog?

 

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 This is the closest that I could find to the quote you were looking for:
 
Leaders of the church have remarked that the Japanese “are a wonderful people”1 since the turn of the century when Grant was residing in the country. However, these are generalizing remarks that church leaders frequently make about groups of individuals, and should not be taken at face value. Similar remarks were made by Francis Xavier - a Roman Catholic who lived during the 16th century and was the original propagator of Christianity to Japan. However, Xavier also wrote in a letter to the headquarters of his Jesuit order in Europe that the Japanese language was invented by Satan in order to prevent the gospel from taking root in the country. As a result, Japanese is often misunderstood as “the Devil’s language.”

Unfortunately, these misconceptions were shared by those in Grant’s party, who believed in the “gift of tongues” and the “interpretation of tongues.”2 Indeed, much like Xavier, the first Mormon missionaries to Japan also felt that Japanese was a “dreadful language.3 Grant, who was known for his unyielding persistence,4 was unable to learn the language despite his best efforts (and faith in the gift of tongues).

 

It was found at this link:

http://elderkikuchi.blogspot.com/2010/05/heading-another-heading-row-1-cell-1.html

 

Maybe that is where the myth comes from.

 

Isn't that a link to The Truth Hurts's own blog?

 

 

 

Yeh it is, now I feel stupid Seems like the Truth hurts really is the authority on this. Meaning if he has questions he should just refer back to himself.

 

 
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this is the best research thread ever.
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Thanks for the replies, you all. Although that is my blog, RedJacket, you are right on target of what I am looking for. While I was able to find a quote in a Japanese book published by TSCC in 2002 about their history in the land of the rising sun which quotes the first missionaries to Japan calling Japanese a "dreadful language," I really wanted to put the quote on my article about Delbert H. Groberg where Grant directly calls it "the Devil's language" like Xavier did.

 

The thing is, I don't think that most foreigners who serve TSCC / work in Japan know who Xavier was or that he originally called Japanese "the Devil's language," so for them to say that Grant called it that it really makes me think they read it somewhere in an old church manual or something.

 
       
 


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