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What is going on?  I just saw this... http://ordainwomen.org

 

 
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First the women get to pray in general conference, then when pigs fly they'll consider ordaining them to.......something......whatever will shut the mouthy bitches up. 
 
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I thought only prophetic visions changed church policy, not some revolt.  Are members really becoming this brazen?  If so, I LIKE IT!  When I left everyone was a slave, following blindly.
 
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I just don't understand activism in the context of a church that supposedly recieves all of its rules directly from a supreme deity.
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I just don't understand activism in the context of a church that supposedly recieves all of its rules directly from a supreme deity.

 

I don't understand it either, so I have mixed emotions about the change.

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I saw it on facebook, the comments were mostly for this change. Some sited not being able to have high school jobs/calling without it, some mentioned not being able to perform blessings, marriages, etc.... and then there were a couple of women that called people supporting it wolves in sheeps clothing, saying people that don't like it should leave, and people that support it can't possibly answer the temple questions honestly. I feel like these comments along with the comments in support both got a lot of likes. 

 

I think that the feminist Mormons are starting to see progress and are discovering what non/for-mormons see, that the GAs change due to external circumstances, it has nothing to do with God's will.  

 

I also saw this comment get a bunch of likes "I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by Him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken that influence they could give to their leaders, did they know for themselves, by the revelations of Jesus, that they are led in the right way. " ~ Brigham Young, (12 January 1862) Journal of Discourses 9:150.

 

BY was the ultimate anti-mormon. 

 
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David:

I saw it on facebook, the comments were mostly for this change. Some sited not being able to have high school jobs/calling without it, some mentioned not being able to perform blessings, marriages, etc.... and then there were a couple of women that called people supporting it wolves in sheeps clothing, saying people that don't like it should leave, and people that support it can't possibly answer the temple questions honestly. I feel like these comments along with the comments in support both got a lot of likes. 

 

I think that the feminist Mormons are starting to see progress and are discovering what non/for-mormons see, that the GAs change due to external circumstances, it has nothing to do with God's will.  

 

I also saw this comment get a bunch of likes "I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by Him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken that influence they could give to their leaders, did they know for themselves, by the revelations of Jesus, that they are led in the right way. " ~ Brigham Young, (12 January 1862) Journal of Discourses 9:150.

BY was the ultimate anti-mormon. 

 

This is a great quote!  Answers the whole the thinking has already been done thing.

 

Of course BY is a dead profit, so this may have been superceded by a not as dead profit.

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I sorta doubt there will be a huge influx back into the church...if women finally gain some "form" of priesthood (which will always be lesser then the menfolk anyway.) Perhaps it would be "wives/breeders of the Levites....Aaronically speaking."
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David:

I saw it on facebook, the comments were mostly for this change. Some sited not being able to have high school jobs/calling without it, some mentioned not being able to perform blessings, marriages, etc.... and then there were a couple of women that called people supporting it wolves in sheeps clothing, saying people that don't like it should leave, and people that support it can't possibly answer the temple questions honestly. I feel like these comments along with the comments in support both got a lot of likes. 

 

I think that the feminist Mormons are starting to see progress and are discovering what non/for-mormons see, that the GAs change due to external circumstances, it has nothing to do with God's will.  

 

I also saw this comment get a bunch of likes "I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by Him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken that influence they could give to their leaders, did they know for themselves, by the revelations of Jesus, that they are led in the right way. " ~ Brigham Young, (12 January 1862) Journal of Discourses 9:150.

 

BY was the ultimate anti-mormon. 

 

The church now pays a PR department to put out these type of responses. Insincere, misdirecting statements make members believe they belong to an honest organization whose leaders would never lead them astray.  Having read about BY makes this statement laughable, not many went against BY's orders without consequence. 

 
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I also saw this comment get a bunch of likes "I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by Him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken that influence they could give to their leaders, did they know for themselves, by the revelations of Jesus, that they are led in the right way. " ~ Brigham Young, (12 January 1862) Journal of Discourses 9:150.

 

BY was the ultimate anti-mormon. 

 

The church now pays a PR department to put out these type of responses. Insincere, misdirecting statements make members believe they belong to an honest organization whose leaders would never lead them astray.  Having read about BY makes this statement laughable, not many went against BY's orders without consequence. 

 

 I was going to say something like this earlier. BY, and the current 15 mean this statement when they are talking about other people, not themselves.

 
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from the web site:

Many Mormons respond to questions about the inequity of an all-male priesthood by insisting that men and women have distinct but equal roles. Women have motherhood, they argue, and men have priesthood. What they fail to acknowledge is that fatherhood is the appropriate parallel to motherhood. 

Can I get an amen up in here? 

I hate that stupid argument and finally it is being challenged.  

 

By the way, 

If priesthood authority is only allowed for men, does that mean Heavenly Mother, the wife of God,  a Goddess herself,  has less priesthood authority than the ragtag  12-year-old boy at the ward?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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dave (e_nomo):

from the web site:

Many Mormons respond to questions about the inequity of an all-male priesthood by insisting that men and women have distinct but equal roles. Women have motherhood, they argue, and men have priesthood. What they fail to acknowledge is that fatherhood is the appropriate parallel to motherhood. 

Can I get an amen up in here? 

I hate that stupid argument and finally it is being challenged.  

 

By the way, 

If priesthood authority is only allowed for men, does that mean Heavenly Mother, the wife of God,  a Goddess herself,  has less priesthood authority than the ragtag  12-year-old boy at the ward?

 

 

yes, the snot nosed 12 year old has more authority than God's legions of wives.

 

 

As I see it the fundamental difference between fatherhood and motherhood is that pregnancy and delivery are exclusively female. Aside from that the roles are parallel. The Mormon thinking goes thusly:

 

Mother: gets fat, suffers through excruciating labor pain, risks death, gets stretch marks, etc 

Ffather: gets the priesthoodand the authority to make all the decisions about how the mother and the children live their lives. 

 

It's so lopsided that it makes one wonder why Mormons don't drown their daughter's at birth to save them from a life of pain.  Life sucks for Mormon women.

 

Mormon feminists suffer from an extreme misunderstanding of the word feminist.  You say that word so often..... I do not think it means what you think it means.

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howdimissthat:
David:

I saw it on facebook, the comments were mostly for this change. Some sited not being able to have high school jobs/calling without it, some mentioned not being able to perform blessings, marriages, etc.... and then there were a couple of women that called people supporting it wolves in sheeps clothing, saying people that don't like it should leave, and people that support it can't possibly answer the temple questions honestly. I feel like these comments along with the comments in support both got a lot of likes. 

 

I think that the feminist Mormons are starting to see progress and are discovering what non/for-mormons see, that the GAs change due to external circumstances, it has nothing to do with God's will.  

 

I also saw this comment get a bunch of likes "I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by Him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken that influence they could give to their leaders, did they know for themselves, by the revelations of Jesus, that they are led in the right way. " ~ Brigham Young, (12 January 1862) Journal of Discourses 9:150.

 

BY was the ultimate anti-mormon. 

 

The church now pays a PR department to put out these type of responses. Insincere, misdirecting statements make members believe they belong to an honest organization whose leaders would never lead them astray.  Having read about BY makes this statement laughable, not many went against BY's orders without consequence. 

Yes, it would be quite interesting/revealing to interview the 13 men killed by Wild Bill Hickman under orders from profit brigham young/mormon apostle orson pratt!  victim     

 

 
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If there is to be a Mormon church, I think it should allow women to hold the priesthood. But I would think that any woman who had thought this deeply about the subject and formed an opinion like this would have realized the church is not true and would no longer be interested in being a part of it. I imagine that most of the people at http://ordainwomen.org are on the way to becoming ex-Mormons.
 
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I've heard many LDS women say they don't want the responsibility of the priesthood.
 
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I've heard many LDS women say they don't want the responsibility of the priesthood.

 

Yes I have too.  I've also heard Muslim women say they love the burka, and find it comforting that they are "protected" by being escorted around by a man in public at all times.  The pain of actually being able to go to school, drive a car, and live independently would be just too much for their pretty little heads to worry about.  It's all culturally/religiously programmed bs. 

 
       
 


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