Families Held Hostage
 
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Your article touched my heart.  I have experienced much the same however as the man that had my wife join the church and do this to her family.  I have always hated the tyranny of the mission statement: no empty chairs! that mormon families often promote.  As a psychologist that used to teach a great number of patenting classes I remember reminding the LDS that God lost 1/3 to Satan. So much for no empty chairs.  Truely I was raised in Satan’s plan anyway. I’m glad all of that is behind me and I am hopeful you are to. Craig Pace

Posted by craig  on  11/15  at  07:51 PM

I have a number of comments.  First, referring to the “shivering in the december cold” statement, why?  They have a lobby.  You made it sound like they had to stand outside in the cold when they didn’t. 
Second, the church does not force anyone to do anything.  I don’t come from a large family and my parents have not been mistreated at all.  You make it sound like the church forces you to do all these things that aren’t doctrine, which is far from true.  How many kids you have as a couple has always been taught as a personal thing for each couple.  Third, if you pay tithing and you still need financial support, the church will help you especially if you have sons or daughters going on missions.
Fourth, You can have a ring ceremony if you want.  You could do it at the temple or at your reception with all your flowers and music.
Fifth, I have many friends who haven’t served missions or who haven’t been the most active and I have as well as many of my other friends supported him and loved him.  Please don’t make general or stereotypical comments about how all church members act.

Posted by batman25  on  07/19  at  02:35 PM

The mafia?  Are you seriously comparing the mafia with the church?  Did i miss something?  Does the church not teach kindness of love to everyone?  Refer to the hymn books for numerous examples.  Did you know that after the tsunami the church was the first to step up and help?  That’s just one of many examples of the church helping others outside of the “family”.

Posted by batman25  on  07/19  at  06:15 PM

Comments to Batman

The reason I converted to Mormonism was that I thought they were better people. I am not sure this is true and I agree with the comments made in Family Held Hostages.

A person I really cared for in my life is a mormon and he did not even send a word of comfort when my sister died twenty years ago. He did not even write a condoleance note when my mother died a few years back though he had stayed at our home more than 15 days.

Furthermore, this person is wealthy and never offered any help whatsoever should I ever need one.

To put things in perspective, this was also the attitude of some members of my family who happened to be catholics. So much so for brotherly love and the rest ...

No wonder some people have serious misgivings when it comes to religions.

Plus what does Batman think of the fact that women cannot attain the highest degree of celestial kingdom until their husband so decide. Who can claim of being a prophet of God and declares such downright fallacies ?

If God exists, his only message is to do unto others as we would like it done unto us and if it tells anything, ir is to respect, love, help and care for others as much as we can and have compassion for those who suffers.

I have not felt that with the mormons I have known.

Some have been nice but I can see they will never be true friends ....

Plus I think they have too narrow a view on people though there are also good things in the church.

Posted by BlueEyes  on  10/14  at  04:38 AM

I understand how the church tears families apart, and I agree with your article.

I too, had to wait outside the temple when my Dad was sealed to his immediate family because I wasn’t “worthy.”

His immediate family barely knew who he was, or what he stood for.  He didn’t go to the Mormon Church, but they didn’t hesitate to take care of things once he was gone…

It’s all about money in the long run.  I know there are many, many good people in the church who don’t understand that they have been lied to.  I don’t dislike them, but I know they are giving their money to a corporation that promises them eternal salvation.  It’s all wrong.

Posted by wintersfootsteps  on  10/14  at  06:48 PM

My wife converted back to Mormonism during our marriage. (She has been and still remains very ill with liver cancer.)
It has completely consumed her. See has been assigned Missionary Ward Leader. The boys come over and vist with her somtimes up to four to five hours a day. My wife is, non-white, an ex-social worker with an advance degree, with an extremely high IQ. She loves the social and religious interactions she receives from these well mannered boys. She is a great listener and teenagers love her.
She has converted both of her then teenagers boys to mormonism. She received a special compensation by the catholic church to have her then teenagers have their First Holy Communion Sacrament performed, by a retired preist who is the holiest living man I have ever meet. It brought him great joy to give the boys indivdual lessons and administor the rite to them. He dedicated his whole life working with and living with the poor and said daily mass up to 94, only to convert them back to mormonism a year after receiving their first holy communion.
My wife lives in a separate bedroom from me for the last one and half years. She shares this 10 by 10 room with my stepsons fiance. They spent all of their free time together.
She says she no longer wants a physical relationship with me and basically has comletely isolated me since her conversion.
First of all, I want to say, Please pray for her that Jesus grants her health. (She once believed Jesus is God)

Posted by GlenRobert  on  10/19  at  05:01 PM

Our daughter joined the LDS church and was later married in an LDS temple. We were excluded from the wedding ceremony by policy of the LDS Church. A bitter experience that broke our hearts.
 
A simple solution would be for couples with non-member family members to be married in a ceremony outside of the temple and then be “sealed” inside the temple later. This would allow for both an inclusive ceremony and the sacred rite. However, LDS couples in the US are actively discouraged from considering this option and those who do are penalized by church policy requiring them to wait one year to be sealed in the temple. Further, it has been my observation that couples who still choose this option are demeaned by church leaders and other members as being somehow “less than faithful”. 
However, this waiting period is not church policy in the UK, France, Germany, Japan and many other countries. Church policy there allows couples to marry in a ceremony outside the temple and to be sealed in the temple on the same day or another day of their choice. They are not required to wait the one year period.
Clearly, church doctrine permits this option.
If the LDS church is unwilling to allow non-LDS family and friends to be present at temple marriages (and I don’t think they should be forced to), they should at least eliminate the one year waiting period altogether. This would allow for a more inclusive ceremony and would be consistent with its own policy in other countries and other areas of the US.

If LDS church leaders are serious about doing their part to bridge the religious divide between themselves and other religions and honest about their “family values” PR they must change their cruel and unnecessary policy. It is simply time for the “pro-family” LDS church to stop coercing couples into breaking the hearts of those who love.

Posted by caedmon  on  05/04  at  09:47 AM

The longer I have been out of the church the better I feel.  I know I made the right decision.  I came from a family with a Presbyterian father who was converted to Mormonism for about 10 years by my very Mormon mother.  He baptized me and shortly after left the church.  He didn’t talk much to me about it but I always sensed that he was uncomfortable with a lot of the church teachings.  At the age of 21 when many of my friends were going on missions my mother offered to pay for me to go as well.  It was at this time in my life that I knew I had to go with my beliefs.  I quit going to church and did not go on the mission.  This cost me many friendships as I had even been in a Mormon sorority at the time.  If people are truly your friends they don’t judge you for your personal beliefs.  It’s been 13 years that I have been out of the church.  I am now raising two children and live in a very Mormon neighborhood.  It’s in Idaho and personally the Mormons here are much more tight knit and judging than their Utah saints.  I have lived here for 4 years now and find it completely unreal how my children and I are treated.  They are very cliquish and I joke that I might as well wear horns when I’m out and about around the neighborhood.  Being out of the church and watching what goes on around me I would describe it as very cult like.  At one point when I first moved here I thought what the heck, we’ll go to church a few times.  Big mistake!  I went for a month and no one would talk to us.  Could it be because we haven’t been going and they judged us?  Probably but that’s okay.  It just reinforced my opinion of how I feel about the doctrines and the people.  I met this lady once who told me a joke that the catholics, jews, and mormons all show up in the end at the same place!  I had to laugh.  Sad though for those who are so brainwashed and live for a church and not their families and people they love.

Posted by notaffiliated  on  09/07  at  07:46 PM

Your article really hit home with me because I am living this right now. I am a 54 year old woman who has left the church. Our family has been torn apart be this and my parents actually moved to another state to be near active family members. My married daughter has her own doubpt but lives in Utah and knows what havoc voicing those doubts would bring to her marriage, kids, family, and job. She just goes along trying to pretend. It is like living in the “burning times” waiting for someone to find out and distroy your life.

Posted by Village Skeptic  on  12/14  at  04:08 PM

:’( This is HORRIBLE!! My heart breaks for “heartbroken mother” NO child should shun their mother for her personal beliefs!!! And She is brave and good for challenge the “social norm” of her group by divorcing an abusive man!! Spousal abuse happens more than the church likes to believe. I could list SEVERAL women who have been abused by “worthy” priesthood husbands and the church sided with the MEN!!! *spits*

Posted by ape descendant  on  02/25  at  08:55 PM

Arza, please visit http://www.templeweddingpetition.org

Posted by Suspicious Minds  on  12/20  at  10:15 PM

Unless people are willing to admit that 1) the church is often responsible for destroying the families of people who question it and until the basic point is accepted that 2) there is a cliquishness and love of church that goes beyond bonds of father and son or mother and daughter or husband and wife, and then square that with the stated family values of the church, there is neither hope nor real love of Christ in the hearts of church members who cannot fathom or acknowledge these two facts. 

For the LDS faithful, if you are really about “integrity,” “honesty,” and courage, and character, then see the DVD from this site: http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com.

Posted by Mantisdolphin  on  03/02  at  11:44 PM

It’s been both sad and comforting to read all of your comments.  I was a temple-going Mormon but left it after my conscience couldn’t agree with the teachings of Brigham Young and Joseph Smith.  After exercising my “free agency”, my husband divorced me, but only emotionally.  It’s like living with a shell, an empty box.  The most difficult part of it all is that he has admitted to making a choice to emotionally separate himself from his children.  At the time we had 4 still in grade and high school.  They are heartbroken.  I am heartbroken.  I have suggested that since he believes he is a Christian that shouldn’t he be loving his children no matter what they believe?  But there is NO discussion of these issues. 

Ironically - and this speaks specifically to this article of families being broken up - ironically my first marriage was broken because I LEFT my husband who didn’t really beleive in the Mormon church… so I left him and went looking for a good priesthood holder.  I found one and we were married in the temple, had 4 kids and lived the Mormon life all the way around until I found the deception out by reading church history.  Wow - talk about screwed up.  Two marriages….  and it’s because we are taught the the CHURCH comes FIRST!  To those of you who think otherwise, I dare you to tell another active Mormon that you have doubts and are thinking of leaving the church.  If you think a human being can’t be instantly turned into a massive germ, you are wrong.  Sorry to say.

Posted by TINFAA  on  04/03  at  09:56 AM

I found that being married in the temple has strengthen my marrage of 32 years.  It gives us an eternal perspective so the little problems dont become big ones.  I am a convert and had that issue about parents that werent members.  We decided to do everything we could outside the temple for my moms sake. So we exchanged rings and said vows and she was very impressed.  We explained to her why temple marriage was so important to us.  I could have had a civil ceremony after the temple but that would cheapen the temple experance.  I did not want to do that to my wife. Even with that, my mom enjoyed the entire time we had together. 

We live by the 80/20 law.  We each do 80% and expect 20%.  When we both do that, it is heaven.  I learned most of how to be a husband from a family that was in the Cookeville Ward,Ted and Sandy Naylor. They were great friends and wonderful examples. I doubt that Lynmarie would have stayed with me if I treated her like Doc did to my mom. He treated my mom like a slave and I decided that my wife would not be treated like that.

Most of the Saints that I know have great marriages so I think that your story is the exception not the rule. 

your brother in Christ

Ron Cook

Posted by Ron  on  04/08  at  10:58 PM

Ron, my reply to your comment is in the Community Forum.

http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.php/discussions/viewthread/21320/

Posted by Suspicious Minds  on  04/09  at  09:30 AM

My heart breaks as I read this article.  Having accompanied my best friend’s parents around temple square in SLC while their daughter was getting married, I remember the heartbreak and sadness they had at not being allowed to see their daughter get married.  I had no good answer for the non-member parents when I was asked why a church thats claims families can be together forever was excluding them.  What a tragedy.

Posted by Aleut  on  05/21  at  11:25 AM

I was sealed in the temple and my dad was left out. I absolutely had planned to have a ring ceremony to include him and was told by my Bishop that the church had put out a letter discouraging ring ceremonies as it cheapens the experience. I will always regret not doing it. I should have pushed for it. Now that I am a happy non-member and my father is dead I can never have that back again.

Posted by Pam A  on  07/18  at  02:31 PM

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