The Lost Book of Abraham

The Book of Abraham is probably the most clear and documented evidence that Joseph Smith had no special ability to translate ancient documents. This has left apologists with the mind numbing task of reinventing the Book of Abraham and Joseph’s translation methods. The response from apologists has been that it wasn’t a literal translation, but a “spiritual translation”. This is an ever increasing trick by apologist. When the evidence doesn’t support the claim, just make the claim more and more broad and vague, despite Joseph’s own description of the process. Once you redefine a literal translation into a “spiritual translation,” you’ve effectively made it unfalsafiable. The problem with making a claim unfalsifiable however, is that you’ve effectivly made it unverafiable and completely meritless. This is the same trick apologists have used to redefine the Book of Mormon because of the total lack of evidence to support it.





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I had already come to understand all the information presented here by reading books such as Mormonism Shadow or Reality.  The film places the order of events into a much clearer perspective for me.
Although I’ve known these things for several years now,when I see this film it breaks my heart.  How I wish Joseph Smith really was a prophet and how I miss the feeling of security that it once gave me to trust in the church.


This is for the most part, fairly comprehensive.  If Joseph Smith claimed to have translated the papyri but now it is proven he did not, how are we to feel secure in trusting Smith translated gold plates?  The only way I could do it is if there were no anachronisms (steel in the wrong time frame, incorrect crops mentioned, wheels etc), no plagerism from the KJV bible, and a host of other problems in this supposedly perfect book.  Not so.  Smith, with his other polygamy schemes, bank failures, and fraud treasure digging background cannot be trusted.  Game over, for me.


Thanks for posting this I would love to share it with some family members.


I watched this with my ten year old daughter and she could comprehend everything that was being shared. Her comment to me was, “So he lied about the whole thing?” It is so simple and in your face that you almost can’t believe that so many don’t see it.  I really do think the church leaders are laughing in SLC because we are sheep being led to the slaughter.


By johdan
on 09/15/2007

I’m sure they laugh when they see the big juicy numbers that are deposited in their personal bank account each month, but me-thinks they’re collective pretty much worried sh_tless about the reality that more and more of the brain-dead are waking, fueling the ‘we got to send out more missionaries and get more brain-deads to keep those tithings coming in....”


I was reading about how much money the church takes in tithes and how much they actually give out in humanitarian effort and it was sickening!  The article stated, Bill Gates donates more than the Mormon church-I should make donations to him! All that money I gave-just to help them buy malls and cattle farms.


By johdan
on 09/17/2007

Go figure........


From a stillmo:

ExMo Facto said:
“I miss the feeling of security that it once gave me to trust in the church.”

Speaks volumes.
I must say that I was having many feelings of the good intent of PostMormon.org as far as how to implement the good of the Church into my life while not putting up with all of the BS that misled leaders and other members dole out.
After visiting the issue in my own mind for several months now and thru various online forums, I cannot abandon the testimony that I have from the Holy Ghost.  The weaknesses in the Church I acknowledge are from man.  The stregnths I acknowledge are from the Lord.
I will continue to be a StillMO and maybe just be a wise cracker with members who annoy me.


By Suspicious Minds
on 09/18/2007

I would recommend you strongly examine the evidence as you consider the testimony as received by the Holy Ghost. 

Members trust their feelings as evidence that the church is what it claims to be. However, feelings are simply unreliable when comes to testing the truth. Anyone knows they’ve had such feelings only to have them turned out comletely wrong. Many get those feelings of “burning in the bosom” and other such warm fuzzy feelings or inspirational feelings when watching “Phanton of the Opera” or “Les Mis.” Does this mean they are true? Many get bad feelings when they learn about the Holocaust. Does that mean the Holocaust isn’t true?

I have a new testimony of truth. It is not based on falsehoods or deception. It is based on tangible evidence, based solidly on facts, not fiction. Based on the evidence of the facts, historical research, and feelings, I now know that church is not true, Joseph Smith was not a prophet of God, and the Book of Mormon is not the word of God. Gordon B. Hinckley, thank you for recommending that I face the facts of the matter. You are absolutely right, there is no middle ground. The church is nothing but a fraud!

Here’s a few suggestions of places to visit as you examine your testimony.

1. When I was a missionary in Japan Tokyo North, I taught that Joseph Smith was visited by God and Jesus. I’ve since learned there are several contradictory Smith versions of the First Vision. See the following links for more details:

http://www.mormonthink.com/firstvisionweb.htm
http://www.i4m.com/think/lists/mormon_questions.htm

2. Smith married and had sex with 11 women who were married to other men at the same time. He also married young teen girls, some as young as 14. These are documented on the church’s own geneaology website. (enter Joseph Smith, 1805 birth) See the following links for more details:

http://www.familysearch.org
http://www.mormonthink.com/polyweb.htm

3. The Book of Abraham in the Pearl of Great Price is a fake translation of common Egyption funeral papyri dated centuries after the time of Abraham. The church hides this fact from the members and continues to claim that the book is of divine origin. See the following links for more details:

http://www.mormonthink.com/boaweb.htm
http://www.irr.org/MIT/Books/BHOH/bhohintr.html

4. Modern science research does not support the claims made in the Book of Mormon. Why is there no Israelite DNA evidence of Lamanites? Why does the evidence lead back to Siberia? There are many other significant problems with the Book of Mormon. See the following links for more details:

http://www.mormonthink.com/bomweb3.htm
http://lds-mormon.com/bomquest.shtml

5. Joseph Smith plagiarized the temple ceremony from Masonry just weeks after he became a Mason. He also taught that temple covenants and ordinances are eternal and unchangeable/unalterable. Why have they been changed multiple times and had parts completely removed? See the following links for more details:

http://www.i4m.com/think/temples/temple_changes.htm
http://www.lds-mormon.com/whytemplechanges.shtml
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/masonicsymbolsandtheldstemple.htm
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/duncans_ritual/table_of_contents.htm

6. The Black race was denied the priesthood until 1978. Brigham Young taught blacks should not receive the blessings of the preisthood nor his seed, until the last of the posterity of Able had received the preisthood, until the redemtion of the earth. See the following links for more details:

LINK
http://www.mormonthink.com/blackweb.htm

7. The Kinderhoek Plates. Joseph Smith accepted these forged plates without question and even went so far as to “translate” a portion of the fake writing found on the plates. Later the perpetrators of the fraud confessed that the Kinderhook plates were modern forgeries created specifically for the purpose of entrapping Joseph Smith. See the following links for more details:

http://www.mormonthink.com/kinderhookweb.htm
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/kinderhookplates.htm

8. The testimony of the eight witnessess and three witnessess in the Book of Mormon claim to have seen the gold plates and the angel Moroni. But did they physically see or through spiritual eyes? See the following links for more details:

http://www.mormonthink.com/witnessesweb.htm
http://www.irr.org/mit/bomwit1.html
http://www.exmormon.org/file9.htm


Suspcious Minds-Thank you for your post!  StillMo, I have a friend who, even though she has said that she questions (in her mind only) the church, she feels that one of two things is true: either God doesn’t want it revealed-meaning man just “isn’t ready for it, or “it will all get worked out later.” How convenient!  It sounds like when the gov’t thinks we can’t handle seeing gov’t documents and supresses them, and by the time they are released no one who lived is alive.

She continues to rationalize that the church still has so many “good things” to offer.  I, in good conscience, can no longer believe that the ONLY way to raise my family with values is through the church.  More importantly, I will no longer have me and my family be lied to over and over again and then have the “moral police” question whether or not I should wear my garments when I work out. 

If you want to continue in the church, I think that is great FOR YOU.  However, if the church REALLY believes in the 8th article of faith, then truly let those who leave the church LEAVE. 

Also, I don’t need GBH telling me to leave the church and then leave it alone.  How many times did the LDS church not leave me and countless others alone?

Just because the church allows its members to buy wheat from the cannery doesn’t mean I will negate how they lied.

My Holy Ghost told me to not just walk away from the church but to RUN.


 

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