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helemon
16th October 2005, 10:47 AM
http://www.mormonstudies.com/criddle/rigdon.htm#15
The following list summarizes Campbellism doctrines, and indicates where they can be found in The Book of Mormon:

1. A Great Apostasy necessitating a Restoration of the doctrines and practices of New Testament Christianity. Campbell referred to this as a restoration of the "Ancient Order of Things." Rigdon referred to it as a "restoration of all things." References in The Book of Mormon include the following: 1 Ne 12:11; 13:26; 2 Ne 26:9-10, 20; Hel 13:5.

Walter Scott took Campbell's idea of a restoration a step further, even calling for a "new Bible". Hayden described Scott's preaching in the winter of 1827-1828 this way: "He contended ably for the restoration of the true, original apostolic order which would restore to the church the ancient gospel as preached by the apostles. The interest became an excitement; ...the air was thick with rumors of a 'new religion,' a 'new Bible.' " [not an entirely different Bible, but rather, Alexander Campbell's 1820's edition of the New Testament].

2. Restoration and Gathering of the Jews - 1 Ne 15:19-20; 2 Ne 29:4; Restoration and Gathering of the House of Israel - 3 Ne 29:1.
See: http://www.lavazone2.com/dbroadhu/VA/harb1830.htm#090630

3. Imminent millennial reign of Christ - 1 Ne 20:26. Amos Hayden wrote of the millennial beliefs among the followers of Campbell (Reformed Baptists):

There were many at that time who believed the millennium was at hand, and in 1830, there were many who were convinced it had dawned…the long expected day of gospel glory would be ushered in…These glowing expectations formed the staple of many sermons… they were the continued and exhaustless topic of conversation. They animated the hope and inspired the zeal to a high degree of the converts and many of the advocates of the gospel. Millenial hymns were learned and sung with joyful fervor and hope surpassing the conception of worldly and carnal professors. It was amid a people full of these expectations, and with hearts fired with these things, that Mormonism was brought, and small wonder that it found a welcome. (van Wagoner, 1994, p. 61. See: http://sidneyrigdon.com/wht/1891WhE3.htm#pg205)

Alexander Campbell referred to Rigdon as "a flaming literalist of the school of [Elias] Smith a Millennarian of the first water." (Dec,1837, Millennial Harbinger 1:578).

In his autobiography, written in the third person for the Times and Seasons (1838), Rigdon described his pre-1830 millennial preaching, saying that he had:

proved to a demonstration the literal fulfillment of prophesy, the gathering of Israel in the last days, to their ancient inheritances, with their ultimate splendor and glory; the situation of the world at the coming of the Son of Man-the judgments which Almighty God would pour out upon the ungodly, prior to that event, and the reign of Christ with his saints on the earth, in the millennium. (See:http://sidneyrigdon.com/Rigd1843.htm)

4. Campbell's followers used the "Bethany dialect", and especially what was referred to as the "word alone system". This is a belief that religious experience came from hearing the divine word alone. Alexander Campbell referred to this concept in his remarks on the Bible Dec 1, 1828: http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/acampbell/tcb/TCB605.HTM. Mosiah 26:15-16 reads:

Blessed art thou, Alma, and blessed are they who were baptized in the waters of Mormon. Thou art blessed because of thy exceeding faith in the words alone of my servant Abinadi. And blessed are they because of their exceeding faith in the words alone, which thou hast spoken unto them.

5. Sacrament prayer and partaking of the sacrament bread and wine as a memorial rite in frequent gatherings - Moroni 4:3, 5:2, 6:6

6. Rejection of infant baptism and original sin - Moroni 8:1-12, 14, 20, 22. This doctrine is at odds with Methodism. This is relevant because of Smith's documented attraction to Methodism, even during the translation process.

7. Adult immersion for the remission of sins as the central ordinance of the Gospel - 3 Ne 11:26. This elevation of the importance of baptism happened at a time when practically no other group of Christians made baptism that important or so easy to obtain. Calvinist churches demanded proof of a spiritual conversion experience before acceptance into a congregation. Campbellites merely asked for a statement of belief, and baptism was possible at a moment's notice. In Mormonism, acceptance of The Book of Mormon qualified a new convert for immediate baptism, quick confirmation, and speedy ordination of male converts. This was a useful strategy for rapidly acquiring new converts among those who had been turned down for membership in other faiths.

8. Missionaries of the church should provide their own support - Mos 18:24-26; Mos 27:4-5; Alma 1:3, 26; Alma 30:31-32; 2 Ne 26:31 - and the clergy as well - Alma 1:3. Alma 35:3, 1 Nephi 22:23.

In September 1824, Campbell publicly commended Scott and Rigdon, the "two bishops" of a church in Pittsburgh, "who while they watch over and labor among the saints, labor, working with their own hands, according to the apostolic command; and not only minister to their own wants, but are (ensembles) to the flock in beneficence and hospitality" (C.B., p. 93). See: http://sidneyrigdon.com/wht/1891WhE6.htm

9. Elders set apart by the laying on of hands. Alma 6: 1

Writing in The Christian Messenger on October 25, 1827, Disciple preacher Walter Scott commented on the laying on of hands:

If a church have elders, and desire others, the elders in that particular Society, can proceed to set them apart by the imposition of hands. (The Christian Messenger 1: 283-286. See http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/wscott/cm/FTCM02.HTM)

10. Speaking as if authorized by Jesus Christ - Words of Mormon 1:17; Mos 13:6; Mos 18:13; Alma 17:3; 3 Ne 5:13; 3 Ne 11:25; Moro 7:2; Moro 8:16. Disciples' preachers understood that they spoke directly for God. Referring to the preaching of Rigdon and Bentley, after a visit to Scott in March, 1828, Hayden said: "They spoke with authority, for the word which they delivered was not theirs, but that of Jesus Christ." See: http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/ahayden/ehd/EHD08.HTM

11. Reference to "the Holy Spirit" as a kind of shared divine nature - 1 Ne 2:17; 2 Ne 2:28; Jar 1:4; Mosiah 3:19; Alma 5:46; 11:44; 13:28; 18:34; 31:35. According to Vogel (1989), Campbellites made unusually frequent use of the term "Holy Spirit". See: http://www.xmission.com/~research/central/resth2.htm Writing in The Christian Baptist (Dec, 1824), Rigdon made frequent reference to the "Holy Spirit" writing under the pen name "Theophilus": See: http://www.lavazone2.com/dbroadhu/VA/harb1830.htm

Rigdon is known to have played a role in the fabrication of scripture that shows signs of Campbell's influence. As noted by Whitsitt, the Inspired Version of the Bible that Rigdon worked on with Smith less than two months after his baptism has similarities to Campbell's edition of the Bible: both documents use the word "Testimony" as titles for the Gospels (for example, "The Gospel of Matthew" becomes "The Testimony of Matthew"), and both dropped use of special pronouns when addressing deity. The Book of Moses, now a part of the Pearl of Great Price, but initially fabricated as the first chapters of the Inspired Version of the Bible, clearly teaches Walter Scott's pet doctrine of baptism by immersion before spiritual rebirth (Moses 6:52, 59; 8;24). See: http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/bible/jst_eom.htm

Ideally, data on beliefs, such as the information on Campbellism summarized above, should be analyzed in the context of the major beliefs of each of the Christian sects in North America 1820-30. The relative uniqueness of each belief or practice could then be determined. However, in the absence of such data, it is reasonable to assume that those best qualified to compare Mormonism with the beliefs of other religions at the same time and place would be those living in that same time and place. Among them, Mormonism was quickly branded "Campbellism Improved." See: http://www.lavazone2.com/dbroadhu/OH/miscohio.htm#111830

see this link for more info on this topic: http://www.mormonstudies.com/criddle/rigdon.htm#15

helemon
16th October 2005, 11:05 AM
http://www.mormonstudies.com/criddle/rigdon.htm#15
TWENTY-TWO PIECES OF EVIDENCE THAT RIGDON PLAYED A CENTRAL ROLE IN THE COMPOSITION OF THE BOOK OF MORMON

In the following sections, I have compiled a list of evidence in support of the view that Sidney Rigdon played a central role in the composition of The Book of Mormon. The evidence falls into four major headings.

Historical evidence connecting Rigdon to Spalding

1. Rigdon shared a post office with Solomon Spalding and evidently frequented a print shop where Spalding had left a manuscript entitled Manuscript Found. For a time, the manuscript disappeared. Spalding reportedly suspected Rigdon had taken it.

2. John Winter reported that Rigdon kept a copy of a Spalding manuscript in his study.

3. Witnesses familiar with Spalding's Manuscript Found testified that it was similar to The Book of Mormon but lacked the religious content.

4. Rigdon and Spalding were independently named as authors before anyone was aware of a connection between them.

5. In 1839, Rigdon wrote a letter denying his role in the composition of The Book of Mormon. His letter contained demonstrable falsehoods.

6. In 1888, Walter Sidney Rigdon - Sidney Rigdon's grandson - said that his grandfather's role in fa
brication of The Book of Mormon was a family secret.

Textual and theological evidence implicating Rigdon

7. The theology of Alexander Campbell, Rigdon's mentor, is sprinkled throughout The Book of Mormon.

8. On those issues where Rigdon and Campbell disagreed prior to 1830, The Book of Mormon strongly endorses Rigdon's views.

9. Sections of The Book of Mormon likely added after loss of the first 116 pages in June 1828 describe spiritual rebirth after baptism, consistent with Rigdon's changed beliefs after meeting with Walter Scott in March 1828.

10. The phrase "children of men" appears with exceptionally high frequency in those parts of The Book of Mormon that contain theological content reflecting Rigdon's pre-1830 views.

11. Rigdon is known to have worked with Smith to produce The Book of Moses. The phrase "children of men" appears with high frequency in those parts of The Book of Moses that contain theological content reflecting Rigdon's pre-1830 views.

Historical evidence connecting Rigdon to Smith before 1830

12. Prior to 1830, Rigdon reportedly made several statements in which he indicated his foreknowledge of The Book of Mormon and the impending rise of a new religion.

13. At a Reformed Baptist convention in Aug 1830, Rigdon spoke of a fuller revelation about to come forth and the need for a complete restoration of the gospel.

14. Rigdon denied meeting Smith before 1830, but several people reported seeing him at or near the Smith's prior to that date and Rigdon's calendar contains gaps at critical time periods when he would have had time to visit Smith

15. In 1868 Rigdon wrote a letter in which he claimed to know the contents of the sealed portion of The Book of Mormon

16. James Jeffery, a friend of Rigdon's, testified that in 1844 he heard Rigdon say that Smith used a Spalding manuscript to fabricate The Book of Mormon

Historical evidence related to the long-term relationship between Rigdon and Smith

17. Almost immediately after his baptism, Rigdon acted as though he was in charge of the church. As soon as he officially met Smith, they began work on The Book of Moses, a scripture that endorses Rigdon's 1828 "discovery" of spiritual rebirth after baptism.

18. In March of 1828, the "Revelator" of The Book of Commandments and The Book of Mormon attempted to limit Smith's role to translation only.

19. In 1863 Rigdon said that Smith was supposed to be the Translator and Ridgon the Gatherer of Israel

20. Rigdon and Smith engaged in a see-saw power struggle that can be understood considering their vulnerabilities and co-dependency.

21. Rigdon and Smith collaborated on joint revelations recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants. They collaborated in changing revelations after the fact. They collaborated on illegal financial transactions.

22. In 1844 Sidney Rigdon seized upon the opportunity of Smith's death, instigating a cynical power grab, threatening to "expose the secrets of the church" and professing new revelations and visions

A final question:

If Rigdon had nothing to hide from future generations, why did he ask that his writings be burned after his death?

meinmachine
16th October 2005, 12:40 PM
http://www.mormonstudies.com/criddle/rigdon.htm#15


hmmmm, so it's all a big fraud! Damn I'm going to quit this crap...oh wait I already did!

Thanks for the info. I enjoy your posts very much. Keep it comming.

helemon
16th October 2005, 01:07 PM
hmmmm, so it's all a big fraud! Damn I'm going to quit this crap...oh wait I already did!

Thanks for the info. I enjoy your posts very much. Keep it comming.

Thanks! I can't wait to read WhyMe's response to this info. Especially the part about Rigdon's wife burning all of his writings.

free thinker
16th October 2005, 08:52 PM
No question in my mind that Rigdon was invloved in the construction of the bom. He was the genious, and Smith was the personality.

At the end of the "Spaulding Enigma, Who really wrote the Book of Mormon" , the author makes a very interesting observation. He asserts that Rigdon felt the lord had his hand in all of it. That he was playing a part in a divine deception so to speak.



free thinker

hitchiker
17th October 2005, 02:47 AM
Thanks! I can't wait to read WhyMe's response to this info. Especially the part about Rigdon's wife burning all of his writings.Helemon , you should write a book , your research ability is excellent , thanx , you could be sure that rigdon was pretty peed when the church went to somebody else after smiths demise , the only trouble i find with your thesis , is , that i read some of rigdons speeches , and he doesn,t come across as being very bright , like lets make war on queen victoria for instance, perhaps the funiest story of all was how JS was keeping the young mens spirits up during the siege at far west by taking them on with a bit of wrestling , this on the sabbath morning , rigdon jumped in and commanded them to stop JS included , this put JS in a bit of a spot , wasn,t he supposed to be the prophet or something , so he turned rigdon on his heels , ripped his coat up the back and kicked him up the backside , you would have thought the alliance would have fell apart at that point , i think the real question is , how did JS get all these people to have visions of the plates ect , was he an exspert in mesmerism as well

miss taken
17th October 2005, 06:05 AM
This is really interesting Helemon and Free Thinker
Thanks.

Mary

helemon
17th October 2005, 10:56 AM
Helemon , you should write a book , your research ability is excellent , thanx , you could be sure that rigdon was pretty peed when the church went to somebody else after smiths demise , the only trouble i find with your thesis , is , that i read some of rigdons speeches , and he doesn,t come across as being very bright ,


Have you read the story of the Jaredite Barges?


like lets make war on queen victoria for instance, perhaps the funiest story of all was how JS was keeping the young mens spirits up during the siege at far west by taking them on with a bit of wrestling , this on the sabbath morning , rigdon jumped in and commanded them to stop JS included , this put JS in a bit of a spot , wasn,t he supposed to be the prophet or something , so he turned rigdon on his heels , ripped his coat up the back and kicked him up the backside , you would have thought the alliance would have fell apart at that point , i think the real question is , how did JS get all these people to have visions of the plates ect , was he an exspert in mesmerism as well

Walters the magician who trained JS in some of his magic tricks I believe was skilled at mesmerism. I would not be suprised if JS picked up the skill from him.

free thinker
17th October 2005, 05:13 PM
i think the real question is , how did JS get all these people to have visions of the plates ect , was he an exspert in mesmerism as well

IMHO

1 He was dealing with very credulous individuals. Not very sophisticated and given to easy persuasion.

2 JS had a very dynamic personality as did BY. People were willing to kill for them. Google Orin Porter Rockwell for evidence.

free thinker

hitchiker
18th October 2005, 05:42 AM
Have you read the story of the Jaredite Barges?



Walters the magician who trained JS in some of his magic tricks I believe was skilled at mesmerism. I would not be suprised if JS picked up the skill from him.
Have not heard of walters in the JS story , the only version of the jaradite barges i,ve read is in the BOM , so please enlighten me , if JS was a hypnotist , he would have to have been better at it than anybody else that has ever lived , i actually believe the testimoney of the 15 witnesses that they have seen spirtual things , we need to remember that at times they claimed to be together in the spirit seeing a vision of something at the same time , not a trick that even the most skilled mesmerist could perform , however the church today claims that these things happened in the flesh , which i do not think happened , i also think that by proclaiming JS to be a complete fraud , with no supernatural gift , we put ourselves in a untenable position , just as the church puts itself in an untenable position by proclaiming him to be perfect in every way , my own view is that the visions were real , but that is exactly what they were visions , not actualities , i believe JS was given a special gift to see things , but how he used that gift was up to his own self judgement , say like a person is born with a beautiful voice , she could use it to sing opra or punk rock , the choice was hers , in the first vision acount , JS was given the vision of heaven and hell , i,ve never seen an account given of why he had a vision of hell , but it hit me the other day , he was shown a vision of both places as a warning , depending on how he would use the gifts he had been given , this fits with his 1832 version of the vision , that it was a personal vision , granting a remission of sins , i also believe that alma 36 is taken from a personal exsperience in JS own life , i think i,m running pretty close to the Reform mormon idiom , i believe that Js was a reformer , a visionary and a genius , however he could not translate at all but wrote all his works using psychic intuition , yes he had lots of character weakness but that could be said of lots of people , one of my favourite authors is oscar wild , however he was a homosexual , but this does not mean his works are invalid , and if oscar wild had written about god and the heavens and given the world some wonderful revelations , i would not count them worth any the less because of his sexuality , thats why i think its a weak argument attacking JS on the grounds of his personal sexuality , its besides the point , most of the attacks on JS focus on his personal life or the historocity of his work , however the philosophical side of his work is brilliant , because of that i think mormons , even when they have left the church , are miles ahead of other people in philosophical outlook , my only real bitterness today is that the mainstream mormon church today is not being honest in presenting a true history of JS . i think when that evil design is gotten rid of , the church may once again start about the work of blessing peoples lives , i would not like to live in a world totaly without mormonism

peter_mary
18th October 2005, 08:33 AM
if JS was a hypnotist , he would have to have been better at it than anybody else that has ever lived , i actually believe the testimoney of the 15 witnesses that they have seen spirtual things , we need to remember that at times they claimed to be together in the spirit seeing a vision of something at the same time , not a trick that even the most skilled mesmerist could perform , however the church today claims that these things happened in the flesh , which i do not think happened,
It's also helpful to remember that these witnesses all participated in activities such as water-witching (Oliver Cowdery was a reknowned 'rodsman') and treasure hunting, believing with every fiber of their being that Joseph Smith and even they themselves were capable of seeing treasure, water or lost objects beneath the ground. If you read Michael Quinn's "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View" it becomes painfully clear why all the witnesses MIGHT have "seen" the plates with their "spiritual eyes." They were highly suggestable (meaning they were also likely highly susceptible to hypnosis, BTW), and extremely oriented to the belief that they WOULD see the plates and many other things through supernatural means. Nobody in the modern Church (unless they have gone off their lithium) believes they will see visions of that nature...not even the General Authorities, and subsequently, they/we don't! It used to be a part of the Apostolic charge, that when a new Apostle was called and set apart that he was commanded to work and seek until he "Obtained a witness of Jesus in the flesh," thereby ensuring that his calling and election was made sure, and that he was indeed a "special witness of Christ." By the beginning of the 20th century, that was no longer a part of the Apostolic charge...why? Because it was no longer a part of the world-view of Mormons that they could or should expect such a heavenly manifestation. Revelation since that time has been understood to be "impressions" that come to the mind, versus visions and voices that were commonly believed in during the early days.

So what changed...God's means of communicating, or the Saint's belief's regarding how God communicates? For me, I believe categorically that the Witnesses of the Book of Mormon at best saw exactly what they expected to see, conjuring up the image in their minds-eye because they so desperately wanted and needed it to be true. At worst, it is possible that they succumbed to the charismatic pressure of their prophet, not wishing to be exposed as unworthy of a spiritual manifestation and thus losing their esteemed position in his Church. What I DON'T believe, not even for an instance, is that they saw something objectively true.

Peter_Mary