visit to church

[puff]

My vist to church was short and painfull , as i sat in the foyer with otherrs who sat wispering in hushed tones because of the sacredness of the moment , a deacon came out passing out the bread , i had already decided i would decline , to my surprise he totaly ignored me , offering sacrament to my wife next to me and then walking off , i mistake i thought , however the water came and the same thing happened , my paranoia was already working overtime , was this just a simple mistake or had the Bishopric told the deacons not to offer me sacrament .
i listened to several speakers , the topic was the same as my last visit a month ago , missionary work , can latter day saints actually talk about anything else , i doubt it , i soon became bored and frustrated , each talk was a bigger and bigger guilt trip , we must be more like our heavenly father, we must repent and be clean , we must always be doing his work , the woman speaking looked like she needed a good dose of sex on the beach , why do all these people look frigid and plastic , they look like they have had all life bashed out of them , dull lifeless orbots , speaking coerced learned lyrics with no real free agency , like something out of orson wells , where all were cloned by a super powerfull mind controling state , dressed in clown suits , they act there part in a well performed pantomine

[silverfox]

My vist to church was short and painfull , as i sat in the foyer with otherrs who sat wispering in hushed tones because of the sacredness of the moment , a deacon came out passing out the bread , i had already decided i would decline , to my surprise he totaly ignored me , offering sacrament to my wife next to me and then walking off , i mistake i thought , however the water came and the same thing happened , my paranoia was already working overtime , was this just a simple mistake or had the Bishopric told the deacons not to offer me sacrament .
i listened to several speakers , the topic was the same as my last visit a month ago , missionary work , can latter day saints actually talk about anything else , i doubt it , i soon became bored and frustrated , each talk was a bigger and bigger guilt trip , we must be more like our heavenly father, we must repent and be clean , we must always be doing his work , the woman speaking looked like she needed a good dose of sex on the beach , why do all these people look frigid and plastic , they look like they have had all life bashed out of them , dull lifeless orbots , speaking coerced learned lyrics with no real free agency , like something out of orson wells , where all were cloned by a super powerfull mind controling state , dressed in clown suits , they act there part in a well performed pantomine

On the very rare occassions I find myself in the LDS church, I often wonder how many of the people sitting there feel just like I did when I continued to attend but didn't believe. I wonder how many sat there with your same thoughts, puff. There are a lot of posers who attend church - some due to family pressure, guilt, etc, etc.....all for the wrong reasons.

Maybe that speaker DID go home and have a sex on the beach. Or should I say sex on the beach.

You just never know.

[peter_mary]

I remember during some of the last times I attended Church (seems like ages ago now...), that I wished I had special goggles that would make all the "doubters" glow green. I fantasized about being able to spot the "puffs" in the audience, and know how many others were more like me than I imagined.

But I have to say, Puff, it sounds like you are being shunned. It might be great fun to challenge the Bishop on that. Make an appointment, lay out the evidence, and then assure him that the actions of this ward are ENSURING that you never return to full faith and fellowship, and that HE'LL be the one to account for that in the eternities.

He needs more guilt...they all do. So let him have it!

[lunaverse]

LOL P_M, good idea! Do it, Puff!! :D

BTW, Puff, entirely off topic, but I like your new icon. It's from HackSign, right? :D I'm in the middle of watching that now.

Have you seen Lain?

Luna

[caskade]

My last visit to church, as I recall, the same thing happened to me. I wasn't even given the opportunity to refuse the sacrament, they just passed it directly to my family instead (we were in one of the pews by the doors that gets served on an individual basis). I wasn't really offended though, I was more dreading the action of waving my hand in rejection infront of my family. I even caught myself raising my hand half way to signal the deacon to move on, but was surprised that he was already doing so. I think those deacons are smarter than they appear and are attuned to the social ques of membership. I'll admit, I recall having similar experiences as a deacon myself. Thinking "oh he's not going to take it anyway, he didn't last time." But I like to imagine that I gave everyone an equal chance to take it.

[puff]

On the very rare occassions I find myself in the LDS church, I often wonder how many of the people sitting there feel just like I did when I continued to attend but didn't believe. I wonder how many sat there with your same thoughts, puff. There are a lot of posers who attend church - some due to family pressure, guilt, etc, etc.....all for the wrong reasons.

Maybe that speaker DID go home and have a sex on the beach. Or should I say sex on the beach.

You just never know.i very much doubt she had sex on the beach or anywhere else for that matter, but i did ,i think her real sex life probably died somewhere between baptism and the holy ghost a long time ago , which is another point , do TBM,S become de sexed at some point in their so called spiritual progression , like kissing , petting , and the sound of well oiled sexual paraphanalia rubbing together might just seem a little to evil for the well to do mo mo , even if they are married

[puff]

LOL P_M, good idea! Do it, Puff!! :D

BTW, Puff, entirely off topic, but I like your new icon. It's from HackSign, right? :D I'm in the middle of watching that now.

Have you seen Lain?

Lunanot sure where its from , it was on the site already , have never heard of lain i am afraid, but the picture suits the way i feel a lot of the time

[puff]

My last visit to church, as I recall, the same thing happened to me. I wasn't even given the opportunity to refuse the sacrament, they just passed it directly to my family instead (we were in one of the pews by the doors that gets served on an individual basis). I wasn't really offended though, I was more dreading the action of waving my hand in rejection infront of my family. I even caught myself raising my hand half way to signal the deacon to move on, but was surprised that he was already doing so. I think those deacons are smarter than they appear and are attuned to the social ques of membership. I'll admit, I recall having similar experiences as a deacon myself. Thinking "oh he's not going to take it anyway, he didn't last time." But I like to imagine that I gave everyone an equal chance to take it.for me its the first time it ever happened , but its nice to know it happens to other people as well , i wonder if i keep going what will happen next , maybe a curt letter making the chapel off bounds , there working themselves into a real little tiffy , the other thing that happened is that two missionaries (or should we call them brainwash administrators )came and sat next to me towards the end of the meeting , like as if they had to keep an eye on me or something , actually its all rather funny , maybe i should wear a charles manson T shirt to finish it off, it could have a slogan on the bottom , God loves Charlie to

[lunaverse]

not sure where its from , it was on the site already , have never heard of lain i am afraid, but the picture suits the way i feel a lot of the time

Ah, well, the character in your pic is named Tsukasa, and he is stuck in a video game, and can't log out. He has caused quite a ruckus, because somehow he has this really powerful Gaurdian creature that protects him, and can kill anyone, even the system administrators. Someone who calls herself his Mother (but looks like a cat) is telling him how to use his power. He doesn't say much, and spends most of his time alone, and everyone thinks he's this huge mystery and are always looking for him to ask him questions.

But I haven't finished watching it, so I don't know how it turns out. :) BTW, it's Japanese Anime.

Lain (also anime) is a mind trip, I really think you'd like it. I watched it stone-cold sober, and it was messed up enough... I've seen it 2.5 times, and I am still not sure what it all means. :) It's about The Wired (the internet), how humans are networking together to form some larger intelligence, how the lines between reality and the virutal world are blurring, and a girl, Lain, who isn't really sure who she is, and why someone who calls himself "God" is talking to her.

There are men in black, conspiracies, aliens, super-computers, techno, and girls in school uniforms. :)

I happened to watch Lain only a few months before I had "The Epiphany" which separated me mentally from the Church. It was one of many sources that led to my disillusionment. Lain provided the atmosphere of questions like, "Is reality really real? What if it isn't?" I think because of watching that (and some other specifically disillusioning sources) I was open enough to make the thought-leap I later did... That no man could ever understand a being such as God... yet so many made the claim... they must all be liars.

Luna

[puff]

Ah, well, the character in your pic is named Tsukasa, and he is stuck in a video game, and can't log out. He has caused quite a ruckus, because somehow he has this really powerful Gaurdian creature that protects him, and can kill anyone, even the system administrators. Someone who calls herself his Mother (but looks like a cat) is telling him how to use his power. He doesn't say much, and spends most of his time alone, and everyone thinks he's this huge mystery and are always looking for him to ask him questions.

But I haven't finished watching it, so I don't know how it turns out. :) BTW, it's Japanese Anime.

Lain (also anime) is a mind trip, I really think you'd like it. I watched it stone-cold sober, and it was messed up enough... I've seen it 2.5 times, and I am still not sure what it all means. :) It's about The Wired (the internet), how humans are networking together to form some larger intelligence, how the lines between reality and the virutal world are blurring, and a girl, Lain, who isn't really sure who she is, and why someone who calls himself "God" is talking to her.

There are men in black, conspiracies, aliens, super-computers, techno, and girls in school uniforms. :)

I happened to watch Lain only a few months before I had "The Epiphany" which separated me mentally from the Church. It was one of many sources that led to my disillusionment. Lain provided the atmosphere of questions like, "Is reality really real? What if it isn't?" I think because of watching that (and some other specifically disillusioning sources) I was open enough to make the thought-leap I later did... That no man could ever understand a being such as God... yet so many made the claim... they must all be liars.

Lunathat soundz really interesting and i would like to watch it , your right , it would be right up my street , i like watching anything that makes my mind travel , pity its not in nz but i will keep my eyes open .
one of my chuldren was sort of obsessed with dragonball zee , he paid a inlaw to paint a picture , about 8 ft tall of dragon ball zee on the wall , later he went through a very religious period , he kept praying why am i not happy , then he claimed a personage appeared to him in the night and pointed at the portrait , so he figured it was a sin and painted it all over with white paint , shame because everybody who came by admired it , this is the same one who was in the car crash (see spirit pics ) , i always think that if your mind is meditating and your learning new things your on a beautiful journey , if your mind is trapped by circumstances ( ie mormon church ) then a period of misery sets in , i also believe that heaven is something to do with minds that link in ever deepening emotions .hope your problems are getting better (parents)

[lunaverse]

Hi Puff!

I do know it is available on DVD in North American Region Codes. I'm not sure which DVD region you are in, maybe European? You might be able to get it. At the very least, they do make DVD players that will play any region code. :)

I think things are going better with my folks.. We'll see....

Luna

[puff]

Hi Puff!

I do know it is available on DVD in North American Region Codes. I'm not sure which DVD region you are in, maybe European? You might be able to get it. At the very least, they do make DVD players that will play any region code. :)

I think things are going better with my folks.. We'll see....

Lunawill have a look , so its just called lain

[puff]

I remember during some of the last times I attended Church (seems like ages ago now...), that I wished I had special goggles that would make all the "doubters" glow green. I fantasized about being able to spot the "puffs" in the audience, and know how many others were more like me than I imagined.

But I have to say, Puff, it sounds like you are being shunned. It might be great fun to challenge the Bishop on that. Make an appointment, lay out the evidence, and then assure him that the actions of this ward are ENSURING that you never return to full faith and fellowship, and that HE'LL be the one to account for that in the eternities.

He needs more guilt...they all do. So let him have it!i was just thinking of that , but when you think of it , if this was really gods church and all eternity rested on it , would these type of things really be happening , wouldn,t there rarther be an unquenchable tolerance for those falling down from faith , i decided not to see the bishop just in case it works and they all start rolling up at my door , life is so peaceful at the moment . but things are so bad that we talk about what will happen when i die , where will i have a funeral , would you really want to be sent off by a bunch of people who hated you , so it looks like the funeral parlour for me with just a few close friends , its really sad because my loyalty to mormonism is not alltogether wasted ,its sad that it was so intractable that it could not adjust to the simplest of changing viewpoints , not only have they lost me but my whole family are watching how i am being treated , my wife has also stopped attendinding and all the children plus partners , about 14 souls all up i suppose , if that were to spread to the greater exstended family that could mar the faith of up to 100 souls , so by there intolerance to others they destroy many otherwise faithfull beings

[lunaverse]

will have a look , so its just called lain

Here ya be:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000D1F0J/qid=1148422202/sr=8-2/ref=pd_ka_2/026-5596162-0871632

That's volume 1, there are 4 volumes containing 13 episodes total.

:)

Luna

[skeptic]

Puff,

I was sure able to identify with your church visit experience. Your insight reveals how the church uses fear, guilt and shame to control its membership. One of my favorites from Mormon Doctrine is the following:

Agency
Mormon Doctrine
By McConkie
Pg 27

Satan sought to destroy the Agency of Man (Moses 4:3). Two great agencies on earth pattern their courses in accordance with Lucifer’s program of compulsion and seek to deny the inalienable right of agency to men.

These are the church of the devil and communistic dictatorships, both of which prosper proportionately as they are able to withhold truth from their adherents and compel them through fear to conform to the religious and party lines.

SoUtSkeptic

[puff]

Puff,

I was sure able to identify with your church visit experience. Your insight reveals how the church uses fear, guilt and shame to control its membership. One of my favorites from Mormon Doctrine is the following:

Agency
Mormon Doctrine
By McConkie
Pg 27

Satan sought to destroy the Agency of Man (Moses 4:3). Two great agencies on earth pattern their courses in accordance with Lucifer’s program of compulsion and seek to deny the inalienable right of agency to men.

These are the church of the devil and communistic dictatorships, both of which prosper proportionately as they are able to withhold truth from their adherents and compel them through fear to conform to the religious and party lines.

SoUtSkepticif satan destroys free agency then the mormon church must be number one in his army along with muslims and jw ,s