You can now wiki-wiki on PostMormon.org!

[admin]

This morning I switched on two new wiki's on the website. You can find them under the "Our Library" link, which used to be called "Magazines" (I also changed "The Community" link to "Our Community").

One of the wikis is called PoMoPedia (unless someone can come up with a better name :)). The homepage of that wiki explains its purpose.

The other wiki is only accessible to Staff members of PostMormon.org and will be used for documenting various aspects of the behind the scenes functions and structure of the site and will include tutorials for staff members. I originally installed the wiki software on our server so I could use it as an administration tool but realized that it could allow for a very nice public wiki as well...and ta da! PoMoPedia was born! I think there are many ways that we can use it. Daryl has posted an article on it that's about the Stages process and diagram that was developed in this forum (thank you so much Daryl for keeping that process going!!) I created a "category" in the wiki where your exit stories can be published.

If anyone wants to create a glossary of Mormon and post-Mormon terms feel free. Possibly some things that now occupy "sticky threads" above could be moved over to the wiki.

It might be a great place to collectively develop various articles on Mormonism. The first vision accounts (versions 1.0 thru 6.0 come to mind to start with), as well as all the other "little known" tidbits about Mormonism, or various aspects related to life as a post-Mormon.

Put on your thinking caps and I'll bet you can come up with some good things to publish in the wiki! It's yours to use as you see fit (within a few stated guidelines on the wiki home page ;)).

Jeff

[peter_mary]

Love it! And I look forward to playing with it.

You mention "exit stories." How will those be organized? I think that having a place to post those stories in a collected fashion, and a place for people to really "get it out" when they come here could be a very cathartic, therapeutic thing. I'd do it, but I'd like to know how it'll be structured. Any thoughts?

Good work, Wesley. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning...

:D

[Jeff_Ricks]

Love it! And I look forward to playing with it.

You mention "exit stories." How will those be organized?... Good question! The wiki allows us to create categories and subcategories which any of us can create. Right now there is only one category called Exit Stories. You find it by clicking on the Categories link to the right of the wiki pages. Under that category is my 'dummy' exit story (aka exit story of dummy). When you click on the categories link, then on the Exit Stories category (that sits there all by itself right now) then a page opens that describes how to place articles in that category. At the bottom of that page is a list of all articles in that category (right now my sample exit story sits there all by its lonesome).

The wiki concept is quite simple but takes a little playing with the wrap your head around how it works. That's what the Sandbox is for. Keep in mind that only logged in members can see the sandbox while you're playing in it. Think of it as your mother watching out the kitchen window as you played in your sandbox when you were you were a kid. :rolleyes:

I'm sure there'll be more questions. I'll do my best to answer them and might even use the questions and answers as a basis for a tutorial in PoMoPedia.

Over time I'm guessing that a natural structure will form in the wiki. That's what's cool about a collectively developed 'book' like PoMoPedia. We do it together and we decide.

Jeff

[Jeff_Ricks]

Love it! And I look forward to playing with it.

You mention "exit stories." How will those be organized? I think that having a place to post those stories in a collected fashion, and a place for people to really "get it out" when they come here could be a very cathartic, therapeutic thing. I'd do it, but I'd like to know how it'll be structured. Any thoughts?

Good work, Wesley. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning...

:D
Below are some examples of how other websites have incorporated the same wiki package as we have on our site (by the way, it's a brand new package, ver 1.0, but the company has a history of regularly adding additional functions to their products and I'm sure will do the same with their wiki package).

http://www.mackenty.org/index.php/wiki/

http://camacho.tv/index.php/cookbook/

http://www.servergoddess.com/index.php/blueleaves/

Jeff

[Born Free]

Jeff,

Going back into the Wiki this morning, all the formatting changes were in place, and it is most impressive.

I am still getting my head around the concept and clarifying how it might be used to contribte to Post-Mo objectives.

Daryl

PS: What is the word on the Site Search functionality. Is that like to be mended in teh foreseeable futute?

[Jeff_Ricks]

Jeff,

Going back into the Wiki this morning, all the formatting changes were in place, and it is most impressive.

I am still getting my head around the concept and clarifying how it might be used to contribte to Post-Mo objectives.

Daryl

PS: What is the word on the Site Search functionality. Is that like to be mended in teh foreseeable futute?Daryl, it looks like you're making good use of the wiki tool. I think it'lll become a very useful tool as we become more familiar with it and try out various possible uses. I'm thinking about setting it up where I work so we can collectively develop and write product descriptions, and track revisions on them and other similar documents. Anything to cut back on the number of meetings we have here!

Regarding the search function, I'm not sure what the root cause of it not working is and hope that reinstalling vBulletin will fix it. In the mean time, the search function works for me when I have a thread opened. See if that works for you too.

I've been working on a long list of pomo.org tasks that I have prioritized, vBulletin reinstallation being down the list about two or three tasks. I can move it up ahead of other things if needs be. :)

Jeff

[Born Free]

Daryl, it looks like you're making good use of the wiki tool. I think it'll become a very useful tool as we become more familiar with it and try out various possible uses. I'm thinking about setting it up where I work so we can collectively develop and write product descriptions, and track revisions on them and other similar documents. Anything to cut back on the number of meetings we have here!

Regarding the search function, I'm not sure what the root cause of it not working is and hope that reinstalling vBulletin will fix it. In the mean time, the search function works for me when I have a thread opened. See if that works for you too.

I've been working on a long list of pomo.org tasks that I have prioritized, vBulletin reinstallation being down the list about two or three tasks. I can move it up ahead of other things if needs be. :)

Jeff
Jeff,

As I went to create the Stages - 7 thread this morning (after discovering as I tweaked the Stages Article in Wiki, that I had never finished that), I remembered that I used to use the global search quite a bit to find thread topics along similar lines. I used that process to try to gather like topics, so old threads did not get 'lost'.

In relation to Stage 7, for instance, we have done the issue of 'to resign or not to resign' somewhat to death, so I would have liked to point to many of threads along those lines. We have also had threads about How to Resign.

BTW, I am loving the ability to keep refining the article in the Wiki, which is an ability not presented in the threaded interface. That removes some of the hassle about not having Search immediately, because I can revisit the issue later and add new threads I find.

Daryl

[lunaverse]

Wiki's rock. :)

Luna

[helemon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mormonism
postmormon.org - An alternative to ex-Mormon, focused on moving beyond, not opposing, Mormonism.

Hmmmmm, I think we do our fair share of opposing it as well.:duh
Still good to see it in the list.

[Jeff_Ricks]

Wiki's rock. :)

LunaLuna, I thought you might be one who likes wikis! :)

[lunaverse]

Luna, I thought you might be one who likes wikis! :)

I spent a month or two of my spare time over at wikipedia.org, writing and editing away. :) I think I wrote about 3-4 new articles, and dramatically expanded another 10 stubs. But my memory is fuzzy.

Oh, and I'm personally responsible for keeping the article on "Sapiosexual" from being deleted. :) After my comments, the debated ended, and it was removed from Votes for Deletion. :D

Luna

[Jeff_Ricks]

I spent a month or two of my spare time over at wikipedia.org, writing and editing away. :) I think I wrote about 3-4 new articles, and dramatically expanded another 10 stubs. But my memory is fuzzy.

Oh, and I'm personally responsible for keeping the article on "Sapiosexual" from being deleted. :) After my comments, the debated ended, and it was removed from Votes for Deletion. :D

LunaHey Luna, I saw your comment in the sandbox about the wiki markup language being a cross between WikiMedia and vBulletin. Yeah, I suppose it is. I know little about WikiMedia markup. I considered installing WikiMedia because as you know WikiPedia uses it, but it wouldn't tie in with our login system. The wiki package that I installed is made by the same company (pMachine.com) that makes Expression Engine, which the content management system that our site runs on (except for the forum -- vBulletin of course), so the wiki package ties right in with the same login system. The good news is pMachine is constantly adding new features to their software. We're using version 1.0 of the wiki, which is the latest version. It was introduced about four weeks ago. So, I would expect more WikiMedia type markup functions to be added to our wiki software over time. In the meantime, yes, our wiki is kind of basic in its functions, but that also makes it easier for others to learn and start using. :)

Hey, I'm proud of ya for making good contributions to WikiPedia!

Jeff

[peter_mary]

Okay, I've posted my Exit Story on the Wiki...it's long, so don't even GO there unless you just can't help but listen to me ramble on about my life...wouldn't recommend it.

But I DO have a point of clarification for any other wiki-novices like me who try to do this.

In the instructions, when Jeff tells you to enter your "account name" in the Category box at the left, what that means is, "The title of your little essay." You CAN just call it your user name. I called mine, "Peter Mary Walks Away" And then, when you hit Edit and the box opens up, the very first thing that should appear in that box is the command

[[Category:Exit Stories]]

just exactly like that...and then below that, you type your story.

When you hit Submit, that saves it.

Hope that helps. It took me a few minutes to figure out what the hell I was doing, but then, I'm fossilizing as I sit here, and technology is whisking on by... :rolleyes:

[Jeff_Ricks]

Okay, I've posted my Exit Story on the Wiki...it's long, so don't even GO there unless you just can't help but listen to me ramble on about my life...wouldn't recommend it.

But I DO have a point of clarification for any other wiki-novices like me who try to do this.

In the instructions, when Jeff tells you to enter your "account name" in the Category box at the left, what that means is, "The title of your little essay." You CAN just call it your user name. I called mine, "Peter Mary Walks Away" And then, when you hit Edit and the box opens up, the very first thing that should appear in that box is the command

[[Category:Exit Stories]]

just exactly like that...and then below that, you type your story.

When you hit Submit, that saves it.

Hope that helps. It took me a few minutes to figure out what the hell I was doing, but then, I'm fossilizing as I sit here, and technology is whisking on by... :rolleyes:
Thanks for the clarifications P_M. I've edited the exit stories instructions accordingly, but if you or anyone else feels more clarification is need please say so...or feel free to go ahead and make the changes yourself. That's the wiki way! :D

Jeff

[peter_mary]

Thanks for the clarifications P_M. I've edited the exit stories instructions accordingly, but if you or anyone else feels more clarification is need please say so...or feel free to go ahead and make the changes yourself. That's the wiki way! :D

Jeff
Makes me wanna a sing something from Disney...I think it goes something like,

"In the wiki, wiki, wiki, wiki, wiki room
In the wiki, wiki, wiki, wiki, wiki room..."

Or was it "tiki room?" Either way, it was as annoying as "It's a Small World After All..." so I'll quit singing it now...

[dogzilla]

My story's up . . . With new, and improved, embellished details! That you've never read before!

Film at 11.

[lunaverse]

AWwww, but I don't have TIME to write my story!! :'(

Luna

[peter_mary]

My story's up . . . With new, and improved, embellished details! That you've never read before!

Film at 11.
Hey, this is prolly gonna be pretty cool! I read all the way down to the bottom of yours...did you read all the way down to the bottom of mine? I probably should have left chocolate down there for people like you to find as a little reward if you manage to slug your way all the way to the end...

Jeff, any way we can post chocolate, or liquor using all these fancy-schmancy tools you're adding? :D

[Jeff_Ricks]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mormonism


Hmmmmm, I think we do our fair share of opposing it as well.:duh
Still good to see it in the list.Does anyone know (Luna?) if there's way tell who put us in Wikipedia?

[peter_mary]

AWwww, but I don't have TIME to write my story!! :'(

Luna
Why...do you have a REAL job, unlike me an' dogzilla? :)

[Jeff_Ricks]

Jeff, any way we can post chocolate, or liquor using all these fancy-schmancy tools you're adding? :D

http://www.tokyotimes.org/archives/chocolate_beer.jpg

Close enough? :)

[peter_mary]

http://www.tokyotimes.org/archives/chocolate_beer.jpg

Close enough? :)


Trying...

...to...

...grab it...

***pant, pant***

I don't know...it's so unsatisfying. Maybe a straw would help?

:D

Actually, I had to laugh when you came up with Chocolate AND booze all in one bottle! PMS relief in a bottle, right?

[Jeff_Ricks]

Actually, I had to laugh when you came up with Chocolate AND booze all in one bottle! PMS relief in a bottle, right?Google image search works great for that. Enter almost any combination of anyhing, like "beer" and "chocolate," and chances it'll come up with something!

Jeff

[dogzilla]

Actually, I had to laugh when you came up with Chocolate AND booze all in one bottle! PMS relief in a bottle, right?

F'in A, my friend! :D

I thought that's how chocolate martinis were invented! No? :o

[dogzilla]

I read all the way down to the bottom of yours...did you read all the way down to the bottom of mine?

Yes!

I like you. Do you like me?

Check one:
[ ] Yes

[ ] No

[ ] Maybe

[peter_mary]

Yes!

I like you. Do you like me?

Check one:
[ x ] Yes

[ ] No

[ ] Maybe


U R
2 cool
2 be
4 gotten! ;)

[Born Free]

My story's up . . . With new, and improved, embellished details! That you've never read before!

Film at 11.
'Zilla,

I cracked up at:

"At least he took his garments off to violate me. I think he was only wearing them as a condition that he could live with us. As if my parents couldn't trust him only if he WASN'T wearing them."

That's a whole new take on fire-insurance! I always thought of that as protecting the body inside the Gs. Your family's take is that they should keep the questionable body inside the Gs from acting out.

Now that's novel!

Daryl

[dogzilla]

'Zilla,

I cracked up at:

"At least he took his garments off to violate me. I think he was only wearing them as a condition that he could live with us. As if my parents couldn't trust him only if he WASN'T wearing them."

That's a whole new take on fire-insurance! I always thought of that as protecting the body inside the Gs. Your family's take is that they should keep the questionable body inside the Gs from acting out.

Now that's novel!

Daryl

:D

Oh, Lookit! New smilies! Groovy!

I believe the thinking was: If he's wearing his garmies, then he must be living the gospel correctly and therefore, he's not questionable and its perfectly safe to let the wolf sleep in the chicken coop. Or something like that. Because ugly undies remind you of your temple covenants.

It's pretty damn naive and stupid on their part because he cheated on his wife. Any guy who does that = probably the garments don't mean so much to him. He would have been willing to wear a lampshade on his head if it meant free room and board.

[lunaverse]

Does anyone know (Luna?) if there's way tell who put us in Wikipedia?

20:19, 20 July 2005 Mormonstories (Talk | contribs) m (Included additional external links)

It was Mormonstories. :)

I clicked the History tab, and then painstakingly searched for all edits to the External Links section, till I found the version of the page where PostMormon was NOT. Then I went back to the last one. :)

Luna

[lunaverse]

Why...do you have a REAL job, unlike me an' dogzilla? :)

Yes. :(

Which wouldn't be so bad, if they paid me better. :)

Luna

[Jeff_Ricks]

20:19, 20 July 2005 Mormonstories (Talk | contribs) m (Included additional external links)

It was Mormonstories. :)

I clicked the History tab, and then painstakingly searched for all edits to the External Links section, till I found the version of the page where PostMormon was NOT. Then I went back to the last one. :)

LunaAwwwww! Thank you very much for going through the trouble to do that for me! I wish we had a hug smilie! This will have to do --> ((((((Luna))))))

The Mormonstories guy is a friend of mine here in Logan. I can see him putting our entry in Wikipedia and describing us as he did.

Jeff

[peter_mary]

I'm curious if anyone is planning an wiki entries? It seems to me that this is a great opportunity to define "postmo" versus "exmo", and "apostate," all of which are sub-categories of "Former Mo."

What else would be good to include? Here's a short list of things that seem to me to be worthwhile to include, giving them all a distinctly "Post Mormon" spin:

Former Mormon
Post Mormon
Ex Mormon
Apostate
Anti Mormon
Peep Stone
Magic World View
Polygamy
Polyandry
Guilt
Cult (has Luna's name ALL over it...;) )
Family Relations (when you leave the fold)
Book of Abraham
BOM Archeology
Unapproved Reading

What else? Anybody planning anything?

[Jeff_Ricks]

I'm curious if anyone is planning an wiki entries? It seems to me that this is a great opportunity to define "postmo" versus "exmo", and "apostate," all of which are sub-categories of "Former Mo."

What else would be good to include? Here's a short list of things that seem to me to be worthwhile to include, giving them all a distinctly "Post Mormon" spin:

Former Mormon
Post Mormon
Ex Mormon
Apostate
Anti Mormon
Peep Stone
Magic World View
Polygamy
Polyandry
Guilt
Cult (has Luna's name ALL over it...;) )
Family Relations (when you leave the fold)
Book of Abraham
BOM Archeology
Unapproved Reading

What else? Anybody planning anything?I think these are great ideas. This is along the lines of what I was hoping to see PoMoPedia used for (by the way, if anyone can think of a better name please say so! I'm not sure I like the current one). I hope some of you all will add to the content. Keep in mind that one person isn't expected to be responsible alone for any particular subject they might enter. We collectively can add to and clean up the content to any articles that might be entered. That's the cool thing about wikis. And when we get a collection of articles we can also create an index or table of contents page that helps to organize the articles for site visitors. An index is just a page of text with links to other pages. In general, the wiki is like a blank slate that we can use as we see fit.

I've been looking for a place to document something I stumbled onto here in Logan a few years back and have decided to put it in the wiki. The Tabernacle here used to have a large pentagram on each of the four sides of its steeple. It used to look just like the pentagram design used in witchcraft. But it was changed to look more like a Christmas star in the early 1900's and quietly swept under the carpet as part of the Tabernacle's history.:lftl: Almost no one knows about its past connections with the occult. I happened to come across it because I was friends with an 85 year old Mormon here who collects old photographs. Some of his photos showed the original pentagram design. It looked pretty eerie back then.

I might also create an article about information on the Ricks family, Ricks College, Rexburg etc., that also has found its way under the carpet.

So please, if you're at all inclined, please feel free to add content to the wiki.

Jeff

[peter_mary]

I think these are great ideas. This is along the lines of what I was hoping to see PoMoPedia used for (by the way, if anyone can think of a better name please say so! I'm not sure I like the current one).

Jeff
I kinda dig the name "PoMoPedia" frankly. I couldn't think of a more fitting title...