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drjolly1
12th March 2005, 03:47 PM
I am so happy to find this web site and would like to introduce myself to you all. My name is Andy and I am 43 years old and live in the midwest. I was born and raised in a quasi-prominent, non-Utah Mormon family. I graduated from BYU, served a mission and left Mormonism in my mid-twenties. Below is a bio piece that I wrote a while back:

My Story
I grew up in the US in a happy, active and somewhat prominent Mormon family. My uncles and grandfather were regional leaders in the church and also presided over various foreign missions. I loved my religion very much and hoped one day to become a leader so that I could give what love I had to the members of the church. I attended BYU and served a mission in San Jose, CA. As a result of my experience as a missionary for the church, my entire life was changed.

As a new missionary I was full of fire. I was enthusiastic and very hard working. Eventually, I was very successful in my work, bringing lots of new members into the church and supervising and inspiring other missionaries. However, I had a few experiences that called into question much of what I thought I knew about myself. First, I discovered that much of my feelings of self-esteem and worthiness before God were dependent on my "success”. I found that if I failed in any small way to be the definition of a successful missionary, I felt tremendously low and worthless. I became known for working long hours and for pushing my companions too hard, ignoring their needs in an eager attempt to gain “success” and thereby soothe my feelings of inadequacy.

About six months into my mission one of my companions told me in very colorful language just what a self-centered jerk I was. To my credit, I recognized my behavior as extreme, did my best to be more sensitive to his needs, and began to ponder the source of my deep sense of inadequacy. Then, during the second year of my mission I was shook to my foundations by an emotional and sexual attraction to a wonderful companion. This awareness was surprising, as I had never been aware of any same-sex attraction before. I had a reasonable number of girlfriends prior to my mission and so thought of myself as completely straight. This same-sex attraction was so upsetting to me that I started to experience depression and mild panic attacks. I felt repulsed at my feelings and judged myself mercilessly. I was too ashamed to talk to anyone about it. I became less able to focus my mind clearly or to work as hard as I wanted. This led to more low feelings. I forced myself to continue to work but began an emotional downward spiral.

Although I finished my mission honorably and returned home to a hero's greeting, inside I felt extremely stressed, scared and hopeless. Within six months of my return, I ended my relationship with my previous girlfriend. I was deeply afraid of my sexual self and as a result repressed my desire. I had learned that sexual matters were infinitely shameful and, although I was in extreme pain and heartache, I felt reluctant to share my pains with anyone. I judged myself as defective and perverted. Although prior to my mission I was very popular and outgoing, now I became distant and solitary.

Over the next few years I constantly sought a way out of my inner dilemma. I focused on prayer, fasting and offerings, hoping that these would eventually bring me relief from my “confusion”. Eventually, I confessed my thoughts and desires to my Bishop. I requested and received special priesthood blessings. I told my parents of my suffering. Although sympathetic, they supported the idea of keeping to the churches teachings. No one could help me. I felt completely alone. I began to fight with contemplations of ending my life.

From that time on, I felt like a scarlet letter hung around me neck—a letter that no one but I could see. I could not forget a formative experience of my freshman year. John, my roommate and friend from back home, was caught with his boyfriend and kicked out of BYU. During that disturbing time, I had witnessed how my closest friend on the floor had reacted with fear and disgust to John's homosexuality. Now, years later and still at BYU, I feared the same response would be directed towards me. I just couldn't withstand that kind of rejection. So instead of telling my friend, I distanced myself from him. I know he must have felt hurt, but I could not risk his rejection of me. Life became isolated, lonely and painful in a way I never imagined.

Desperate for relief, I turned to psychology for answers and declared psychology as my undergraduate major. Later, I entered psychotherapy with one of my instructors at BYU. As I studied and reflected on what I was learning, I gradually began to question the teachings of the church regarding sexuality. I saw the possibility that it was not I who was flawed. I came to ask myself if it had been the horrible teachings on sexuality that I received from the church that were the cause of my depression and anxiety. The more I pondered this possibility the angrier I became. This anger eventually saved my life as it focused the shame and sickness away from me and onto the wrongful teachings of the church.

In counseling with my Bishop, I was told that depression was a problem in our ward. The Bishop asked me to teach a Sunday school class on the subject. I resisted him at first. Then he said he would let me teach whatever topic I wished. I decided on the topic of unconditional love and focused on nothing else. Each Sunday I asked the class to imagine Jesus’ reactions to today’s “sins”. As I did this I started to question the very idea of a punitive, restrictive, legalistic god. Very slowly, and in small steps, I began to accept the universal love that was epitomized by the example of Jesus. I was not alone in my fascination with this idea. My class was so full that semester that we had standing room only.

When the class ended, I told my Bishop that I needed to stop attending church. I told him that I believed my attendance was damaging me and that I believed my depression was being maintained and even worsened by the doctrines spoken from the pulpit, specifically, those that reinforced a shameful, fearful and guilt laden view of sexual expression. Interestingly, he did not attempt to dissuade me from my decision. He told me that he was sad to lose me. In the end, I felt some respect from him over my situation.

I stopped going to church when I graduated from BYU. In effect, I excommunicated myself. I walked away from my friends and my church because I felt totally unworthy and afraid of offending the "good" people I knew. At the same time, I was bitterly and deeply angry at the church. Yes, I hated myself, but I more than suspected the churches role in my self-contempt. I wrote a letter to the First Presidency in which I chastised them on their psychological abuse of the minds, hearts and bodies of the church membership. I got back a form letter.

Though I stopped going to church, I was filled with fear over this decision. I had never before made such a decision on my own behalf. From all I had been taught, I believed that I was choosing myself over God, over Truth, over absolute Commandment and at times I was filled with fear for my soul. I felt that I was saving myself but losing my spiritual home. I could not change my beliefs overnight. I suffered greatly because so much of me still clung to the idea that Mormonism was true and that the world offered nothing as hopeful as the teachings of the church and the brotherhood and sisterhood of it’s members.

The decision that I made to leave the church put me in an alien reality. The step I had taken was monumental. To me, I was defying all authority in heaven and on earth. I was endeavoring to trust my own eyes, my own ears, my own judgment, and my own bodily experiences as valid and worthy. I was shaking up my personal universe to the core.

In the immediate aftermath, I continued in lots of personal turmoil and emotional anguish. I spent many, many years alone and broken hearted. I felt lost to the world I had known. Nothing was easy. It took almost twenty more years for me to come to terms with the painful decision I made to leave my church. I studied, read, reflected, but continued to spend way too much time in my head, away from my feelings. The loss was just too great.

I often say that one usually can cry only after the accident, only after one is plucked from the freezing water. Once brought to shore, wrapped in blankets and sipping from a warm cup, the overwhelming fear and loss can finally erupt. So it has been with me. Recently, I have turned a corner. Perhaps time, aging and the union of friendship with a special, like-minded soul, has finally made for some warmth and safety. The ability to grieve finally arrived and it has begun to set my soul free.

Only from the shore can I look back at the stormy waters of my past and make any sense of it. I see that by quitting the church I was to affirm my own authority and my own right to exist as a mortal, sexual, and imperfect being. Through my actions I affirmed that I have a measure of authority and autonomy to determine for myself what is good and correct for my soul. I affirmed that I was not created evil, but had only came to think of myself as such because of the spiritual immaturity of my ecclesiastical leaders.

I had been taught that the body’s desires are sinful and to be resisted at all costs, even at the cost of one’s life. But the body is one’s life and there is no human life in separation from the body and no bliss or happiness in death. Joseph Campbell once said, pointing to himself, “these eyes are the eyes of the earth, this voice is the voice of the earth…” That my bodily flesh and all its feelings and desires are those of a good and wonderful creation is a revolution in thinking for me. I believe this is the transformation I have made.

I may never know the full truth, but I must gamble on my own judgment. Today I am choosing embodiment. I do the best I can to embrace my earthiness, mortality and deep humanity. I no longer focus on heaven or moralistic theologies. Today, I think more in terms of the heart—that quality of human experience that, when heeded, connects us to our deepest self and to our friends. In general, I no longer strive for perfection; instead I care for my soul.

Postscript:
I've never told a group of Mormons about this experience and thought it might be good from me to do so. Maybe some of you have had similar experiences. I'd be interested to hear about them.
Andy

twine
12th March 2005, 04:16 PM
Andy,

Welcome! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I believe you will find much solace on this site. We look forward to your future posts.

lsands
12th March 2005, 04:22 PM
Dear Andy,
I was deeply touched by reading your story, and deeply saddened by the loneliness and pain you have suffered. Although there are a lot of aggravations from living in Utah, I have been well-supported in my journey out of the church. I have found a new community with exmormons in Utah County, northern Utah, and Arizona. Reading your post makes me realize how fortunate I have been.

Reading stories like yours also reminds me that the LDS church is not the benign, family-friendly organization it claims to be. I feel such anger over the pain it has caused so many people, including me. I spent almost 15 years battling deep depression as the married Mormon mother of four. Your story reaffirms my decision to speak out in appropriate ways and situations, and to point out the damaging teachings and policies of the LDS church.

Thanks for sharing. I welcome your voice here, and hope you will contribute more.

Laraine

silverfox
12th March 2005, 08:54 PM
Welcome Andy. That was a very moving post which resulted in many emotions on my end. The depression, the angst, the guilt, the fear - and this is supposed to be the only TRUE church? Something is way wrong with this picture.

For you church monitors and lurkers who are watching this site - I hope you are learning from our experiences, our pain. I hope you can take back to the presidency that some major changes are needed and QUICKLY.

Depression is rampant in the church. Isn't it about time (no church pun intended) the church addresses so many of the issues members have had, are having and will have?

Andy, best wishes to you on your journey to complete happiness.

gracie
12th March 2005, 09:03 PM
Your words touched a lot of chords and brought up alot emotions and feelings I have been processing lately. I am only a few months into my journey away from the LDS church and I know all too well the feelings of loneliness and betrayal. This forum has been a wonderful help to me in that I realize I am not alone. I hope you can find some of what you need for yourself here. You are among friends, thanks for sharing,
Gracie

free thinker
12th March 2005, 10:16 PM
"Lead in every way you can, follow only if you must" !! I totally dig that!! I enjoyed reading your story!

I think there is a significant undercurrent among active LDS folk! Many unhappy people!


Free Thinker

free thinker
12th March 2005, 10:20 PM
Welcome Andy. That was a very moving post which resulted in many emotions on my end. The depression, the angst, the guilt, the fear - and this is supposed to be the only TRUE church? Something is way wrong with this picture.

For you church monitors and lurkers who are watching this site - I hope you are learning from our experiences, our pain. I hope you can take back to the presidency that some major changes are needed and QUICKLY.

Depression is rampant in the church. Isn't it about time (no church pun intended) the church addresses so many of the issues members have had, are having and will have?



Andy, best wishes to you on your journey to complete happiness.


They are not going to change Silver Fox! They believe that they are god's representatives on earth. They connot be wrong. It would be unthinkable!! :rolleyes:

Free Thinker

miss taken
13th March 2005, 05:45 AM
Hi Andy,
Great to read your thoughts and feelings. Look forward to reading more of your posts.
Mary

bigeddy
13th March 2005, 07:51 AM
Andy,

Welcome home buddy. I say home because of the love and support I see being offered, accepted and celebrated here.

I taught religion at BYU while I was exiting the momoprison. While teaching I was working with a group of alienated students. The boys in the group were all gay (at various stages of facing their orientation) and the girls were all victims of sexual abuse as children. They came to BYU with hope for a future, with belief (to some extent) in themselves and God. What they found at BYU alienated the hell out of them and they struggled in ways that were terrible to watch. I saw one girl go from a beautiful striving young woman to become a bitter purple-haired, ouija board using, alienated kid willing to screw anyone and anything just to be accepted. Her pain yelled at me every time I was around her. I went to the VP over student afairs and asked if anything was offered to students whose situations meant that they felt totally alienated from the BYU mainstream, from the church and from themselves. This VP told me that nothing like any outreach was needed because when she felt bad she just remembered that she was a child of God and then she felt fine. I walked away shaking my head at the gross stupidity and lack of love so evident in her way of addressing other sacred human beings. I had to get out. So, I left; largely because I saw the pain of so many that was totally ignored by "the Lord's representatives on earth." I have continued to watch and I see no evidence of any wisdom by church leaders. I see them bungling things time and again; bungling things that are not even the tough issues. Bungling basic principles of love and growth.

You stated in your post that "I was to affirm my own authority and my own right to exist as a mortal, sexual, and imperfect being." I have come to move away from the whole perfection thing. You are perfect right now. The rest is just growing into who you are. You (I, all of us) have no faults, only areas where we haven't grown yet. (See chapter 1 verse 3 of The Dogtrain and Cubbyholes) This whole sin thing is so absurd it makes me sick. I do not see my child as sinful because he has not mastered (at the age of 3) how to drive the car. He has not bumped into the things that will allow him to learn that peice of knowledge yet. In the same way I do not see my child as sinful because she drinks to excess. She has not bumped into the experiences that will lead her to move beyond that lack of growth. She will do so as surely as my son learned to drive; when it was time.

All things as are as they are and as they need be. The only question is; "What are we learning?"

Ed

drjolly1
13th March 2005, 08:22 AM
Ed,
I appreciated your sharing your experience at BYU. I was so black and white at the time I was there that I never would have noticed that there were others like me. How wonderful that you were reaching out to those kids and how ridiculously sad that you got that cold blank stare of a response from the administration. It truly feels hopeless until you realize that you have choices and face the pain of walking away from those who don't get it--won't get it. Life can be truly difficult.

Again, thank you for the warm welcome and I hope to see you posting again on this site.
Andy

silverfox
13th March 2005, 08:26 AM
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You stated in your post that "I was to affirm my own authority and my own right to exist as a mortal, sexual, and imperfect being." I have come to move away from the whole perfection thing. You are perfect right now. The rest is just growing into who you are. You (I, all of us) have no faults, only areas where we haven't grown yet. (See chapter 1 verse 3 of The Dogtrain and Cubbyholes) This whole sin thing is so absurd it makes me sick.
All things as are as they are and as they need be. The only question is; "What are we learning?"
Ed

Thank you for this, BigEddy - I love it! Never thought of it that way before. It allows a whole new angle to look at ourselves and others which I feel can result in a better understanding and acceptance of ourselves and each other.

miss taken
13th March 2005, 08:43 AM
Andy,

I have come to move away from the whole perfection thing. You are perfect right now. The rest is just growing into who you are. You (I, all of us) have no faults, only areas where we haven't grown yet. (See chapter 1 verse 3 of The Dogtrain and Cubbyholes) This whole sin thing is so absurd it makes me sick. I do not see my child as sinful because he has not mastered (at the age of 3) how to drive the car. He has not bumped into the things that will allow him to learn that peice of knowledge yet. In the same way I do not see my child as sinful because she drinks to excess. She has not bumped into the experiences that will lead her to move beyond that lack of growth. She will do so as surely as my son learned to drive; when it was time.

All things as are as they are and as they need be. The only question is; "What are we learning?"

Ed

Never looked at it that way before. As a mum, I appreciate what you say. Brilliant. Thanks for the different and better perspective..
Mary

mutleydog
14th March 2005, 02:59 AM
Welcome Andy!

I really appreciate you sharing your experiences. Much of it reflected some experiences I had too. You have certainly found a wonderful place. Hope you gain as much support as I have......

Take Care. Mut

templenamesarah
15th April 2005, 11:43 AM
Postscript:
I've never told a group of Mormons about this experience and thought it might be good from me to do so. Maybe some of you have had similar experiences. I'd be interested to hear about them.
Andy

Andy, thank you for your beautiful post. You come across in your post as a lovely person. I stopped attending the One True Church years ago following the breakup of my eternal (ha!) marriage, but I never really stopped believing until quite recently. I am so happy to be a part of a community of folks who seem to care because they have genuine love in their hearts and not because the "angels are silent notes taking."

I hope to get to know you better through your posts in the future.

This is my first post not only to this forum, but to any internet discussion forum, so I hope I did not commit any grievous breaches of etiquette. Please be gentle!

With love,
Nancy

dogzilla
15th April 2005, 12:38 PM
Welcome templenamesarah and drjolly!

Good to have you with us.

silverfox
15th April 2005, 12:58 PM
Andy, thank you for your beautiful post. You come across in your post as a lovely person. I stopped attending the One True Church years ago following the breakup of my eternal (ha!) marriage, but I never really stopped believing until quite recently. I am so happy to be a part of a community of folks who seem to care because they have genuine love in their hearts and not because the "angels are silent notes taking."

I hope to get to know you better through your posts in the future.

This is my first post not only to this forum, but to any internet discussion forum, so I hope I did not commit any grievous breaches of etiquette. Please be gentle!

With love,
Nancy

Welcome! Looking forward to getting to know you!