BYU Prof claims scientific Evidence for Homosexuality

[miss taken]

A good friend in the states sent me the link to this article this morning. I am really keen to read it, but can't get the link to work, can you???

http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/49488/1121

Mary

[silverfox]

A good friend in the states sent me the link to this article this morning. I am really keen to read it, but can't get the link to work, can you???

http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/49488/1121

Mary

It worked for me this morning. Sounds interesting...can't wait to read it.

[silverfox]

A good friend in the states sent me the link to this article this morning. I am really keen to read it, but can't get the link to work, can you???

http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/49488/1121

Mary

As I was reading this article it dawned on me that the church may never care what science has to say about this. The church has staked their claim and that's it. It won't matter if there is very clear proof. I doubt they would even address it. IMO, there is no respect for science unless it is to their benefit.

The last paragraph says it all:
"He (the professor) made a lot of good points," said Tim Fife, a neuroscience major from Merced, Calif. "I definitely think the LDS community needs to look at this more closely instead of rejecting homosexuals. But we need to give heed to the counsel of the prophets and hopefully we can receive some understanding."

I don't think members will ever receive understanding on this topic, not from their leaders. I hope I am very wrong.

Thanks for sharing this link, Miss Taken.

[elder_nomo]

wow. excellent find, miss taken! thanks. did you get the link to work? if not, i will cut and paste the text here - it's not that long.

i'm pretty impressed that this came from a mormon [or should i say, soon-to-be-ex-mormon? with thoughtful comments like this, how long before they throw his #ss out?]

As I was reading this article it dawned on me that the church may never care what science has to say about this. The church has staked their claim and that's it. It won't matter if there is very clear proof. I doubt they would even address it. IMO, there is no respect for science unless it is to their benefit.

The last paragraph says it all:
"He (the professor) made a lot of good points," said Tim Fife, a neuroscience major from Merced, Calif. "I definitely think the LDS community needs to look at this more closely instead of rejecting homosexuals. But we need to give heed to the counsel of the prophets and hopefully we can receive some understanding."

so true, silverfox. and this poor fellow doesn't realize that the Living Prophet has already spoken on the subject. for those who missed it.....
.

When asked about the church's posture towards Homosexuals, Hinckley said he knows they "have a problem." So Larry King asked him if they were born with this "problem:"
KING: A problem they caused, or they were born with?
HINCKLEY: [B]I don't know. I'm not an expert on these things. I don't pretend to be an expert on these things. The fact is, they have a problem.
- Larry King Live CNN Interview, December 26, 2004,
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/26/lkl.01.html

ah, yes, folks, that's what the Prophet of God from the One True church has to offer.
in the meantime, dear TBMs, feel free to demonize, patronize and marginalize. since we don't know any better. :Puking

[darin]

This article was recently quoted on a thread involving Homosexuality over at FAIR, entitled "LDS church makes cover of gay magazine". (The title of that thread refers to an article on "The Advocate" magazine, which speaks about the Church's involvement against gay marraige).

Some of you may find the exchange over there to be interesting--and sometimes downright nauseating:

http://www.fairboards.org/index.php?showtopic=7545

Feel free to join the discussion over there! (I go by "Daniel" at FAIR, and have posted quite a bit in the thread above. Incidently, I've never identifed more with the lion-baited-prophet of antiquity as I do in speaking as a gay man surrounded by TBMs on the FAIR message boards, so any 'lion tamer comments' over there are welcome!)

Incidently, I hope I'm not committing a faux pas in posting a link here to another message board discussing mormonism, am I...?

[silverfox]

This article was recently quoted on a thread involving Homosexuality over at FAIR, entitled "LDS church makes cover of gay magazine". (The title of that thread refers to an article on "The Advocate" magazine, which speaks about the Church's involvement against gay marraige).

Some of you may find the exchange over there to be interesting--and sometimes downright nauseating:

http://www.fairboards.org/index.php?showtopic=7545

Incidently, I hope I'm not committing a faux pas in posting a link here to another message board discussing mormonism, am I...?


Absolutely not. Thanks for the warnings!

I am going to check out the flow of the conversation. I came across a Mo board last week in doing some research and the mentality - WOW! I DID become nauseated. I didn't participate but to just watch the conversation was enough to make me gag.

It was like a horrible accident on the side of the road....it's tragic and unbelievable but you can't seem to pull your eyes away. heh heh

[miss taken]

This article was recently quoted on a thread involving Homosexuality over at FAIR, entitled "LDS church makes cover of gay magazine". (The title of that thread refers to an article on "The Advocate" magazine, which speaks about the Church's involvement against gay marraige).

Some of you may find the exchange over there to be interesting--and sometimes downright nauseating:

http://www.fairboards.org/index.php?showtopic=7545

Feel free to join the discussion over there! (I go by "Daniel" at FAIR, and have posted quite a bit in the thread above. Incidently, I've never identifed more with the lion-baited-prophet of antiquity as I do in speaking as a gay man surrounded by TBMs on the FAIR message boards, so any 'lion tamer comments' over there are welcome!)

Incidently, I hope I'm not committing a faux pas in posting a link here to another message board discussing mormonism, am I...?

Darin, I just read right through the thread. There's just no grey with them is there? All black and white.
I found the article above (which I eventually got to) to be extremely interesting. Illegitimus non tatum carberundum!!!!

Mary

[elder_nomo]

Some of you may find the exchange over there to be interesting--and sometimes downright nauseating:

http://www.fairboards.org/index.php?showtopic=7545

Feel free to join the discussion over there! (I go by "Daniel" at FAIR, and have posted quite a bit in the thread above. Incidently, I've never identifed more with the lion-baited-prophet of antiquity as I do in speaking as a gay man surrounded by TBMs on the FAIR message boards, so any 'lion tamer comments' over there are welcome!)
darin -
nauseating hardly covers it. :Puking
i went there intending to add my 2 c. and give a little support. but i just couldn't do it. these people have no interest in logical dialog; they are not looking for truth; they are not listening. to quote a local columnist, speaking about a certain politician, "He enjoys the stubborn conviction of the unreflective mind."
anyway, my hat's off to you for the valiant effort.
best regards

[silverfox]

darin -
nauseating hardly covers it. :Puking
i went there intending to add my 2 c. and give a little support. but i just couldn't do it. these people have no interest in logical dialog; they are not looking for truth; they are not listening. to quote a local columnist, speaking about a certain politician, "He enjoys the stubborn conviction of the unreflective mind."
anyway, my hat's off to you for the valiant effort.
best regards

Agreed. There appears to be NO willingness to communicate. Not surprising at all.

[formermormon]

OK, on the BYU article: it's refreshing to think that a BYU prof might base a lecture on scientific research, but the article is still full of anti-gay bias.

People "suffer with" homosexuality? So maybe it's genetic, but it's a sickness? How nice. How tolerant and inclusive.

If there is suffering, it comes from living with the homophobes. Eliminate homophobia, and being gay would be nothing but fabulous - there's nothing inherent in it that causes suffering! Ugh.

[silverfox]

OK, on the BYU article: it's refreshing to think that a BYU prof might base a lecture on scientific research, but the article is still full of anti-gay bias.

People "suffer with" homosexuality? So maybe it's genetic, but it's a sickness? How nice. How tolerant and inclusive.

If there is suffering, it comes from living with the homophobes. Eliminate homophobia, and being gay would be nothing but fabulous - there's nothing inherent in it that causes suffering! Ugh.

That bothered me, too. He should have said, "suffering at the hands of homophobes"

[dogzilla]

darin -
nauseating hardly covers it. :Puking
i went there intending to add my 2 c. and give a little support. but i just couldn't do it. these people have no interest in logical dialog; they are not looking for truth; they are not listening. to quote a local columnist, speaking about a certain politician, "He enjoys the stubborn conviction of the unreflective mind."
anyway, my hat's off to you for the valiant effort.
best regards

I also went to the thread and made the same choice as elder_nomo: there is no point in teaching a pig to sing. It wastes your time and only annoys the pig, right?

However, this morning one post ran through my head. I might have to laugh about it for days to come. Did you know that the homosexualization of America is one of the signs of the apocalypse?

I swear. Had someone said that directly to me, I'd be forced to bust out laughing in their face.

The person's argument was that gay-ness is everywhere, and so prevalent and ubiquitous that I guess it's becoming contagious or something... I couldn't quite follow the logic because I think logic left that person years ago. It was hilarious and really, really sad at the same time. I felt sorry for the poor deluded fool. But I'm still laughing at him today. :o

On a more serious note, I think the intolerance displayed in that thread was another of the big niggles I experienced. When you read the first four gospels in the New Testament, you discover that Jesus hung out with theives, prostitutes and lepers -- the outcasts of society. He didn't disdain the sinners, he spent most of his time with the people who most needed to hear his message. I could never square that up with "Be in this world, not of this world." How does it make sense to avoid too much contact with apostates, heathens, Catholics and other non-mormons? Shouldn't the old missionary spirit dictate that mormons should spend all their time NOT hanging out with each other?

:confused:

[elder_nomo]

How does it make sense to avoid too much contact with apostates, heathens, Catholics and other non-mormons? Shouldn't the old missionary spirit dictate that mormons should spend all their time NOT hanging out with each other? :confused:
they must be afraid that our magic is stronger than theirs. :eek: if they hang out with us apostates, heathens, etc, they will not be able to resist our evil ways!!

that would explain why their efforts to turn gays to straight has been a dismal failure, but the "homosexualization of america" :Crazy: is apparently a huge success.

[silverfox]

I also went to the thread and made the same choice as elder_nomo: there is no point in teaching a pig to sing. It wastes your time and only annoys the pig, right?

However, this morning one post ran through my head. I might have to laugh about it for days to come. Did you know that the homosexualization of America is one of the signs of the apocalypse?

I swear. Had someone said that directly to me, I'd be forced to bust out laughing in their face.

The person's argument was that gay-ness is everywhere, and so prevalent and ubiquitous that I guess it's becoming contagious or something... I couldn't quite follow the logic because I think logic left that person years ago. It was hilarious and really, really sad at the same time. I felt sorry for the poor deluded fool. But I'm still laughing at him today. :o

On a more serious note, I think the intolerance displayed in that thread was another of the big niggles I experienced. When you read the first four gospels in the New Testament, you discover that Jesus hung out with theives, prostitutes and lepers -- the outcasts of society. He didn't disdain the sinners, he spent most of his time with the people who most needed to hear his message. I could never square that up with "Be in this world, not of this world." How does it make sense to avoid too much contact with apostates, heathens, Catholics and other non-mormons? Shouldn't the old missionary spirit dictate that mormons should spend all their time NOT hanging out with each other?

:confused:

It drives me absolutely CRAZY when I continue to hear the the world is so horrible....so much homosexuality, so much sex, drugs, rock n roll (thought I would throw that one in there for kicks), murder. It's all been around forever.

We are just more aware now mostly, IMO, due to media, easy access to information, etc.

For YEARS religious folk have felt the world was gonna end any day.

I remember being scared $hitless when I was young because my religious grandpa would talk about the end of the world (he would refer to scripture in Revelations)happening "any day now" and all hell was gonna break lose. (of course we lived in Downtown Detroit and were exposed to alot of "reality")

Criminy, that was over 30 years ago.