My morning at BYU

[Jeff_Ricks]

Today I was blessed to be able to spend the morning at BYU. I haven't been on the campus for probably 25 years. I was there to evaluate whether our company should fund one of their senior engineering projects next year. Finished projects for this year were being presented to potential contributors.

So, when I got there I found a place in the student center where I could buy a donut and just to see what kind of reaction I'd get I asked where the coffee was. The gal was stunned, glanced over at the other gal behind the counter then said I'd have to go off campus to find coffee. I said, you can't have a morning donut without coffee! He shrugged her shoulders, cocked her head to one side and tried to smile.

A few minutes later when I was talking with one of the engineering professors, just prior to the presentations I asked him where I could get coffee and he said something like, "Oh, we don't allow coffee on campus." Then he proudly beamed, "In fact you can't get any caffeinated drinks on campus. We have the highest moral standard here."

I'm thinking, so how is caffeine is a moral issue???

Then he continued, "Our high moral standard becomes an advantage in the marketplace for our students because employers want employees who are honest."

Hmmm... so now I'm trying to connect Dr. Pepper with dishonesty and I’m wondering if the professor realizes that he has implied that I cannot be trusted because I drink coffee. I stared at him for a few seconds wondering if the light would turn on, but nope, he was clueless. It was if he was thinking (behind his phoney smile and deer in headlights eyes) "I wonder if he can feel the spirit emanating from my caffeine free soul. Maybe he'll asked to get baptized."

Then the missionary suited engineering students began filing into the room to make their presentations. When everyone sat down the professor asked on of them to say the opening prayer. Wow! I thought I was in priesthood meeting! What a strange feeling. :Puking In the prayer the missionary, I mean the student asked the Lord to bless them as they graduate and go forth to “serve their fellowmen”. I have a hard time visualizing “serving” when it’s in exchange for the highest possible salary they can extract from their “fellowmen”.

After the presentations we had lunch. It was their year-end "banquet" with fancy plates, silverware, and fancy glasses that are normally used for wine. The server went around the table, carefully and gracefully picked up each glass the way you hold a wine glass and poured in the red drink, trying hard to look like a top notch waiter hoping for a good tip. After he filled my glass I took a sip and almost broke out laughing. It was red Kool-Aid! I turned to the gal sitting next to me and asked (whispered) if this was really Kool-Aid. She nodded and said somewhat sarcastically, “You have to remember, this is BYU”. She obviously thought is was silly too.

Then, of course they had a “blessing on the food”, complete with the regulation, “That it might nourish and strengthen our bodies” phrase said exactly according to Mormon standards. During the blessing I realized I committed a faux pa. I took a sip of my Kool-Aid before it was blessed. And Kool-Aid needs all the blessing it can get if nourishment is hoped for :Crazy: .

Not much else of any note happened after that. But boy! What a weird morning! I cringe to think I was once as TBM as anyone in the room. I saw my former self in the skinny geeky guy who gave the opening prayer, dressed in white shirt, clunky high mileage dress shoes, and missionary suit, hoping to “serve his fellowmen” someday. Weird, weird, weird morning! :Crazy:

Jeff

[Born Free]

Today I was blessed to be able to spend the morning at BYU.

A few minutes later when I was talking with one of the engineering professors, just prior to the presentations I asked him where I could get coffee and he said something like, "Oh, we don't allow coffee on campus." Then he proudly beamed, "In fact you can't get any caffeinated drinks on campus. We have the highest moral standard here."

I'm thinking, so how is caffeine is a moral issue???

Then he continued, "Our high moral standard becomes an advantage in the marketplace for our students because employers want employees who are honest."

Hmmm... so now I'm trying to connect Dr. Pepper with dishonesty and I’m wondering if the professor realizes that he has implied that I cannot be trusted because I drink coffee. I stared at him for a few seconds wondering if the light would turn on, but nope, he was clueless. It was if he was thinking (behind his phoney smile and deer in headlights eyes) "I wonder if he can feel the spirit emanating from my caffeine free soul. Maybe he'll asked to get baptized."

This is Alice in Wonderland stuff! When professors can get the priorities this out of whack, one has to wonder what the world is coming to. One wonders if they drink too much cool-aid.

I observe in this exchange a typical Mo dissonance:

A tich of caffeine is seen as a weighty moral issue, (yet, major laundering of history is seen as a triviality, as is actively flying in the face of DNA science!)

Your stated need has not only been ignored, but this Einstein of the Enlightenment proceeds to preach at you, mindless that he is actively insulting. Not a bit Aspergerish at all?
After the presentations we had lunch. It was their year-end "banquet" with fancy plates, silverware, and fancy glasses that are normally used for wine. The server went around the table, carefully and gracefully picked up each glass the way you hold a wine glass and poured in the red drink, trying hard to look like a top notch waiter hoping for a good tip. After he filled my glass I took a sip and almost broke out laughing. It was red Kool-Aid! I turned to the gal sitting next to me and asked (whispered) if this was really Kool-Aid. She nodded and said somewhat sarcastically, “You have to remember, this is BYU”. She obviously thought is was silly too.

Clearly these people have no capacity to see how their actions look from the outside. Kids have Kool-Aid in plastic or cardboard cups. Adults use wine glasses to drink wine, liqeur glasses to drink liqeur, so Mos do not appreciate how comical it looks when they play at 'grown up' behaviour whilst drinking kids drinks.

Not much else of any note happened after that. But boy! What a weird morning! I cringe to think I was once as TBM as anyone in the room. I saw my former self in the skinny geeky guy who gave the opening prayer, dressed in white shirt, clunky high mileage dress shoes, and missionary suit, hoping to “serve his fellowmen” someday. Weird, weird, weird morning! :Crazy:

Jeff

Well Jeff, you have had your light humour day off. Now get some work done! And remember to say your prayers tonight - "God, today I visited a scary place and survived. For that I am truely grateful!"

[miss taken]

Today I was blessed to be able to spend the morning at BYU. I haven't been on the campus for probably 25 years. I was there to evaluate whether our company should fund one of their senior engineering projects next year. Finished projects for this year were being presented to potential contributors.

So, when I got there I found a place in the student center where I could buy a donut and just to see what kind of reaction I'd get I asked where the coffee was. The gal was stunned, glanced over at the other gal behind the counter then said I'd have to go off campus to find coffee. I said, you can't have a morning donut without coffee! He shrugged her shoulders, cocked her head to one side and tried to smile.

A few minutes later when I was talking with one of the engineering professors, just prior to the presentations I asked him where I could get coffee and he said something like, "Oh, we don't allow coffee on campus." Then he proudly beamed, "In fact you can't get any caffeinated drinks on campus. We have the highest moral standard here."

I'm thinking, so how is caffeine is a moral issue???

Then he continued, "Our high moral standard becomes an advantage in the marketplace for our students because employers want employees who are honest."

Hmmm... so now I'm trying to connect Dr. Pepper with dishonesty and I’m wondering if the professor realizes that he has implied that I cannot be trusted because I drink coffee. I stared at him for a few seconds wondering if the light would turn on, but nope, he was clueless. It was if he was thinking (behind his phoney smile and deer in headlights eyes) "I wonder if he can feel the spirit emanating from my caffeine free soul. Maybe he'll asked to get baptized."

Then the missionary suited engineering students began filing into the room to make their presentations. When everyone sat down the professor asked on of them to say the opening prayer. Wow! I thought I was in priesthood meeting! What a strange feeling. :Puking In the prayer the missionary, I mean the student asked the Lord to bless them as they graduate and go forth to “serve their fellowmen”. I have a hard time visualizing “serving” when it’s in exchange for the highest possible salary they can extract from their “fellowmen”.

After the presentations we had lunch. It was their year-end "banquet" with fancy plates, silverware, and fancy glasses that are normally used for wine. The server went around the table, carefully and gracefully picked up each glass the way you hold a wine glass and poured in the red drink, trying hard to look like a top notch waiter hoping for a good tip. After he filled my glass I took a sip and almost broke out laughing. It was red Kool-Aid! I turned to the gal sitting next to me and asked (whispered) if this was really Kool-Aid. She nodded and said somewhat sarcastically, “You have to remember, this is BYU”. She obviously thought is was silly too.

Then, of course they had a “blessing on the food”, complete with the regulation, “That it might nourish and strengthen our bodies” phrase said exactly according to Mormon standards. During the blessing I realized I committed a faux pa. I took a sip of my Kool-Aid before it was blessed. And Kool-Aid needs all the blessing it can get if nourishment is hoped for :Crazy: .

Not much else of any note happened after that. But boy! What a weird morning! I cringe to think I was once as TBM as anyone in the room. I saw my former self in the skinny geeky guy who gave the opening prayer, dressed in white shirt, clunky high mileage dress shoes, and missionary suit, hoping to “serve his fellowmen” someday. Weird, weird, weird morning! :Crazy:

Jeff

This is one of the many things I never ever understood in mormondom. I just dont get it, how/when does caffeine become a moral issue.

Is there chocolate on campus? If there is, then there is caffeine on campus.

I'm sorry, but how the heck did you survive. I'm supposed to be going to a pot luck lunch today, I think you have just put me off, I just couldn't cope with that kind of mentality
Mary

[silverfox]

Today I was blessed to be able to spend the morning at BYU. I haven't been on the campus for probably 25 years. I was there to evaluate whether our company should fund one of their senior engineering projects next year. Finished projects for this year were being presented to potential contributors.

So, when I got there I found a place in the student center where I could buy a donut and just to see what kind of reaction I'd get I asked where the coffee was. The gal was stunned, glanced over at the other gal behind the counter then said I'd have to go off campus to find coffee. I said, you can't have a morning donut without coffee! He shrugged her shoulders, cocked her head to one side and tried to smile.

A few minutes later when I was talking with one of the engineering professors, just prior to the presentations I asked him where I could get coffee and he said something like, "Oh, we don't allow coffee on campus." Then he proudly beamed, "In fact you can't get any caffeinated drinks on campus. We have the highest moral standard here."

I'm thinking, so how is caffeine is a moral issue???

Then he continued, "Our high moral standard becomes an advantage in the marketplace for our students because employers want employees who are honest."

Hmmm... so now I'm trying to connect Dr. Pepper with dishonesty and I’m wondering if the professor realizes that he has implied that I cannot be trusted because I drink coffee. I stared at him for a few seconds wondering if the light would turn on, but nope, he was clueless. It was if he was thinking (behind his phoney smile and deer in headlights eyes) "I wonder if he can feel the spirit emanating from my caffeine free soul. Maybe he'll asked to get baptized."

Then the missionary suited engineering students began filing into the room to make their presentations. When everyone sat down the professor asked on of them to say the opening prayer. Wow! I thought I was in priesthood meeting! What a strange feeling. :Puking In the prayer the missionary, I mean the student asked the Lord to bless them as they graduate and go forth to “serve their fellowmen”. I have a hard time visualizing “serving” when it’s in exchange for the highest possible salary they can extract from their “fellowmen”.

After the presentations we had lunch. It was their year-end "banquet" with fancy plates, silverware, and fancy glasses that are normally used for wine. The server went around the table, carefully and gracefully picked up each glass the way you hold a wine glass and poured in the red drink, trying hard to look like a top notch waiter hoping for a good tip. After he filled my glass I took a sip and almost broke out laughing. It was red Kool-Aid! I turned to the gal sitting next to me and asked (whispered) if this was really Kool-Aid. She nodded and said somewhat sarcastically, “You have to remember, this is BYU”. She obviously thought is was silly too.

Then, of course they had a “blessing on the food”, complete with the regulation, “That it might nourish and strengthen our bodies” phrase said exactly according to Mormon standards. During the blessing I realized I committed a faux pa. I took a sip of my Kool-Aid before it was blessed. And Kool-Aid needs all the blessing it can get if nourishment is hoped for :Crazy: .

Not much else of any note happened after that. But boy! What a weird morning! I cringe to think I was once as TBM as anyone in the room. I saw my former self in the skinny geeky guy who gave the opening prayer, dressed in white shirt, clunky high mileage dress shoes, and missionary suit, hoping to “serve his fellowmen” someday. Weird, weird, weird morning! :Crazy:

Jeff

Kool Aid, huh? You MUST beware of the KOOL AID!!! Never drink Kool Aid when surrounded by cult members or in a cult setting - it's just..........FREAKY! But I am glad you lived to talk about it! heh heh

What some members and non members don't get is that honest people with high morals are not the result of Mormonism. What members learn is how to LIE really really really well and put on the phony smile and the phony mask and say ALL the right things so that they are perceived as being honest with high morals. You NEVER really know a member, IMO. Never. You NEVER know what they are really thinking or feeling.

I often wonder who is sincere and who isn't.

You deserve a T shirt that says "I Survived A Day at YBU, I Mean BYU"

This story reminds me of a TBM teen I used to mentor. She applied for a job at a small local gourmet coffee shop. (still don't know why) During her interview the manager told her she would have to taste all the products so that she could help customers with their choices. She responded that absolutely no way could she "lower her standards" and drink not even a sip of coffee. When she told me this I gave her a loooooooong lesson regarding hypocrisy and being judgmental. She had no idea that she insulted the manager until we talked. She was boasting about it. sheeeesh

Of course, she didn't get the job.

[noodle]

Jeff, thanks for sharing your entertaining story! Too bad that we all couldn't have been flies on the wall. It really is funny how hung up they are on the "moral" issue of caffeine. In keeping with their WoW standards, did you happen to see any obese, er, "big boned" people?

[Jeff_Ricks]

What some members and non members don't get is that honest people with high morals are not the result of Mormonism. What members learn is how to LIE really really really well and put on the phony smile and the phony mask and say ALL the right things so that they are perceived as being honest with high morals. You NEVER really know a member, IMO. Never. You NEVER know what they are really thinking or feeling.

I often wonder who is sincere and who isn't.


I'd think twice before hiring people so skilled in the art of being phony and disconnected from reality. Like Silverfox alluded to, you just don't know what you're getting.

Jeff

[silverfox]

Jeff, thanks for sharing your entertaining story! Too bad that we all couldn't have been flies on the wall. It really is funny how hung up they are on the "moral" issue of caffeine. In keeping with their WoW standards, did you happen to see any obese, er, "big boned" people?

:D I used to think it was ironic that one of my old TBM "friends" used to give me crap for drinking a diet coke while she was munching on her second HOT DOG. I used to tell her she should worry more about where those feet, tails and snouts she was eating had been. She would just laugh. Probably cuz, you know, her garmies would protect her, I guess. Who knows.

(hey, nothing against hot dogs...I love a good dog but only if it's prime meat)

[Jeff_Ricks]

Jeff, thanks for sharing your entertaining story! Too bad that we all couldn't have been flies on the wall. It really is funny how hung up they are on the "moral" issue of caffeine. In keeping with their WoW standards, did you happen to see any obese, er, "big boned" people?

I don't recall seeing an inordinate number of big boned people. Two come to mind. One in a white shirt that wouldn't stay tucked in.

But regarding caffeine, I forgot to mention that after I bought my donut, asked about the coffee, and was walking away the gal said, "Oh! You can get hot chocolate one floor down." I thanked her and as I walked away I thought:

coffee = hot + caffeine

hot chocolate = hot + caffeine

Hmmmm... :Crazy: :confused: :Crazy: :confused:

[Jeff_Ricks]

This is one of the many things I never ever understood in mormondom. I just dont get it, how/when does caffeine become a moral issue.

Is there chocolate on campus? If there is, then there is caffeine on campus.

I'm sorry, but how the heck did you survive. I'm supposed to be going to a pot luck lunch today, I think you have just put me off, I just couldn't cope with that kind of mentality
Mary

[I posted this in another part of the this thread but thought it applied even better to your post, so here it is again.]

I forgot to mention that after I bought my donut, asked about the coffee, and was walking away the gal said, "Oh! You can get hot chocolate one floor down." I thanked her and as I walked away I thought:

coffee = hot + caffeine

hot chocolate = hot + caffeine

Hmmmm... :Crazy: :confused: :Crazy: :confused:

[dogzilla]

We really, really need a :slaps forehead: smiley.

Let's pretend I just posted it here. 'kay?

[Jeff_Ricks]

[I posted this in another part of the this thread but thought it applied even better to your post, so here it is again.]

I forgot to mention that after I bought my donut, asked about the coffee, and was walking away the gal said, "Oh! You can get hot chocolate one floor down." I thanked her and as I walked away I thought:

coffee = hot + caffeine

hot chocolate = hot + caffeine

Hmmmm... :Crazy: :confused:

As a matter of fact, here's how it all adds up:

coffee: (hot+caffeine) = immoral

hot chocolate: (hot +caffeine) = allowed

Pepsi: (cold+caffeine) = immoral

Kool-Aid: (colored sugar) = will nourish and strengthen

:Crazy:

[Jeff_Ricks]

I observe in this exchange a typical Mo dissonance:

A tich of caffeine is seen as a weighty moral issue, (yet, major laundering of history is seen as a triviality, as is actively flying in the face of DNA science!)

Your stated need has not only been ignored, but this Einstein of the Enlightenment proceeds to preach at you, mindless that he is actively insulting. Not a bit Aspergerish at all?


Aspergerish for sure! The guy was also speaking in "pulpit tone" as he was preaching, smiling the "Tommy Monson smile" and insulting his fellowman.

Jeff

[peter_mary]

As a matter of fact, here's how it all adds up:

coffee: (hot+caffeine) = immoral

hot chocolate: (hot +caffeine) = allowed

Pepsi: (cold+caffeine) = immoral

Kool-Aid: (colored sugar) = will nourish and strengthen

:Crazy:

Okay, so what if I take a couple of Excedrin with a glass of cold water...isn't that okay?

Excedrin w/ cold water: (cold+caffeine) = allowed

Warning: Do NOT ever take Excedrin with a cup of HOT water, because then you have hot+caffeine, which is BAD.

Or what about a decaf Frapucinno? I assume those are still on the "bad" list...

Decaf Frapucinno: (cold+sugar+no caffeine) = immoral

Man, this WoW stuff is really hurting my poor widdle head... :Crazy:

Peter_Mary

[Jeff_Ricks]

Or what about a decaf Frapucinno? I assume those are still on the "bad" list...

Decaf Frapucinno: (cold+sugar+no caffeine) = immoral


Remember, "Avoid the appearance of evil". Now get out there and do all the evil you want! Just don't get caught!

Hey,Mormon's could carry around decaff labels that stick on the side of their cup of high octane Starbucks. Or they could carry around an empty can of root beer and pour their evil Coke in it. Or they could tuck their favorite novel behind a cover of a Family Home Evening Manual and stay awake through church for a change.

Someone should write a book call, "The Art of Avoiding the Appearance of Evil". But it would have to have a fake Book of Mormon cover on the outside so they don't appear to be purchasing the evil thing. :D

Jeff

[silverfox]

Remember, "Avoid the appearance of evil". Now get out there and do all the evil you want! Just don't get caught!

Hey,Mormon's could carry around decaff labels that stick on the side of their cup of high octane Starbucks. Or they could carry around an empty can of root beer and pour their evil Coke in it. Or they could tuck their favorite novel behind a cover of a Family Home Evening Manual and stay awake through church for a change.

Someone should write a book call, "The Art of Avoiding the Appearance of Evil". But it would have to have a fake Book of Mormon cover on the outside so they don't appear to be purchasing the evil thing. :D

Jeff

This sounds like a good idea for Peepstone!

Avoidance of evil reminds me back in the 70s a newly reactivated friend used to drink "Near Beer" (you guys remember that? Non alchoholic beer) He was actually called in by the bishop with "concerns" from fellow members. They felt the can looked like a regular beer can. He was told to avoid the appearance of evil and could no longer drink his NONalcoholic beer because the can looked like a beer can, it smelled like beer, it tasted like beer.

I don't think he stayed very active for long after that encounter. :Crazy:

[elder_nomo]

Today I was blessed to be able to spend the morning at BYU.
as soon as i read this first line, i knew we were in for a treat. thanks for a hilarious story. :D

[tjohnson]

We really, really need a :slaps forehead: smiley.

Let's pretend I just posted it here. 'kay?


Ask and you shall receive... :D

:duh :duh :duh

[nate]

Hey,Mormon's could carry around decaff labels that stick on the side of their cup of high octane Starbucks. Or they could carry around an empty can of root beer and pour their evil Coke in it.

Jeff,

It appears that you think (no pun intended)
that this has NOT been done!

haha...yeah, "Education" Week at BYU was pretty eye-opening for me!

Good thing you're freshly shaven. I heard non-member Professors and Speakers have to get an actual "Beard Card" if they choose to have facial hair on campus.

[silverfox]

Ask and you shall receive... :D

:duh :duh :duh

COOL! LOVE IT

[free thinker]

A few minutes later when I was talking with one of the engineering professors, just prior to the presentations I asked him where I could get coffee and he said something like, "Oh, we don't allow coffee on campus." Then he proudly beamed, "In fact you can't get any caffeinated drinks on campus. We have the highest moral standard here

Jeff

This was soooo funny! I just cracked up! Man, I can't beleive I used to think like that!! You never grow up when you are mormon!

Free Thinker

[smallone]

I went to BYU about a year ago to their teacher fair to help interview and push our school, I was amazed at how they all looked the same and answered pretty much the same. They all sounded sooooo TBM, like there were no individual characteristics to them-no personality! But the funniest part was when we were leaving to go home, we had been on our feet for more than half the day and not being too bright I wore high heels. So as we were taking things down to be loaded in the SUV, I decided to slip my shoes off (my feet were killing me and I was helping a gal carry a tv, which isn't easy in heels). I happen to notice a sign that said NO BARE FEET PERMITTED-wth!? I turned to the gal I was with and said they can't be serious, but sure enough within minutes I had a bishop looking man stop and ask where my shoes were, when we explained the situation he said it was fine, but I better put them back on as soon as possible. We had two other guys ask and say the same thing. I guess bare feet are not acceptable unless you are pregnant- otherwise you are really being immoral!

[silverfox]

I went to BYU about a year ago to their teacher fair to help interview and push our school, I was amazed at how they all looked the same and answered pretty much the same. They all sounded sooooo TBM, like there were no individual characteristics to them-no personality! But the funniest part was when we were leaving to go home, we had been on our feet for more than half the day and not being too bright I wore high heels. So as we were taking things down to be loaded in the SUV, I decided to slip my shoes off (my feet were killing me and I was helping a gal carry a tv, which isn't easy in heels). I happen to notice a sign that said NO BARE FEET PERMITTED-wth!? I turned to the gal I was with and said they can't be serious, but sure enough within minutes I had a bishop looking man stop and ask where my shoes were, when we explained the situation he said it was fine, but I better put them back on as soon as possible. We had two other guys ask and say the same thing. I guess bare feet are not acceptable unless you are pregnant- otherwise you are really being immoral!

Actually, it's because they didn't want you to "turn on" all those poor YBU students/employees whom may have a foot fetish. :D

[formermormon]

I went to BYU about a year ago to their teacher fair to help interview and push our school, I was amazed at how they all looked the same and answered pretty much the same. They all sounded sooooo TBM, like there were no individual characteristics to them-no personality! But the funniest part was when we were leaving to go home, we had been on our feet for more than half the day and not being too bright I wore high heels. So as we were taking things down to be loaded in the SUV, I decided to slip my shoes off (my feet were killing me and I was helping a gal carry a tv, which isn't easy in heels). I happen to notice a sign that said NO BARE FEET PERMITTED-wth!? I turned to the gal I was with and said they can't be serious, but sure enough within minutes I had a bishop looking man stop and ask where my shoes were, when we explained the situation he said it was fine, but I better put them back on as soon as possible. We had two other guys ask and say the same thing. I guess bare feet are not acceptable unless you are pregnant- otherwise you are really being immoral!

OK, that is just plain embarrassing. I mean, I just picture somebody with no mormon background stumbling into that situation - you would just be dumbfounded by the idiocy.

I remember going to BYU for basketball camp when I was in Jr. High. It was BASKETBALL camp, so of course we were in shorts for it - but they made us go back to the dorms (past the cafeteria) to change into pants before we could go to lunch. Then, we went back to the dorms again to change back into shorts. I remember thinking it was amazingly stupid even then. And no, I cannot remember why we didn't just put sweats on (and bring them to the gym with us.) Maybe they weren't allowed either? And mind you - this was in the summer, when there weren't many students or other people around.

Ugh.

[somedude1]

I went to BYU about a year ago to their teacher fair to help interview and push our school, I was amazed at how they all looked the same and answered pretty much the same. They all sounded sooooo TBM, like there were no individual characteristics to them-no personality! But the funniest part was when we were leaving to go home, we had been on our feet for more than half the day and not being too bright I wore high heels. So as we were taking things down to be loaded in the SUV, I decided to slip my shoes off (my feet were killing me and I was helping a gal carry a tv, which isn't easy in heels). I happen to notice a sign that said NO BARE FEET PERMITTED-wth!? I turned to the gal I was with and said they can't be serious, but sure enough within minutes I had a bishop looking man stop and ask where my shoes were, when we explained the situation he said it was fine, but I better put them back on as soon as possible. We had two other guys ask and say the same thing. I guess bare feet are not acceptable unless you are pregnant- otherwise you are really being immoral!

I have to comment on this as well... im a non-Mo and currently attending BYU (see my intro thread for reasons why). I locked myself out of my room by accident and I wasn't wearing shoes or socks at the time.... so I went down the hall and tried to find my RA to let me back in... not there. I then went downstairs to the hall desk to see if anyone was there to let me in... nope. So I procceeded to go to the main center and when im just about to enter... some TBM stops me, points at the sign on the door and says "excuse me, you can't go in without shoes on", and gives me a really bad stare... and im like WTF this is bogus, so i walk all the way back to my floor, and have to ask people around on my hall if they will let me borrow a pair of sandals for a bit, and head back down to the center and finally get my spare key to let me back in :rolleyes:

I dread the day i lock myself out after taking a shower late at night or early in the morning and im in my robe... ill prolly have to sit outside my door and wait for my RA to show up, since my RA is NEVER around :(