The Mo's still baptizing Jews and Popes

[pokatator]

The Mo's are still at it, baptizing Jews and Popes, it'll be interesting to watch the fallout from this.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/4/8/133315.shtml


They've been sued before by the Jews and maybe they will be again.

[nate]

The Mo's are still at it, baptizing Jews and Popes, it'll be interesting to watch the fallout from this.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/4/8/133315.shtml


They've been sued before by the Jews and maybe they will be again.

"The church directed its members after 1995 to not include for baptism the names of Jewish Holocaust victims, celebrities and people who aren't relatives."

What a crock! When the youth go in to do baptisms for the dead, they don't choose the names, they don't even get to see the list of names for whom they are being baptised! Unless they mean the church directed it's temple workers to scrub lists, which is highly unlikely, because they actually recycle the lists between temples.

[elder_nomo]

"The church directed its members after 1995 to not include for baptism the names of Jewish Holocaust victims, celebrities and people who aren't relatives."

What a crock! When the youth go in to do baptisms for the dead, they don't choose the names, they don't even get to see the list of names for whom they are being baptised! Unless they mean the church directed it's temple workers to scrub lists, which is highly unlikely, because they actually recycle the lists between temples.
nate -
do they really recycle the lists? i hadn't heard that before. where did you learn this?
not that i don't believe you - god knows, this would not be the first outrageous thing they've done.
[hell, it wouldn't even make the top ten.]

[nate]

nate -
do they really recycle the lists? i hadn't heard that before. where did you learn this?
not that i don't believe you - god knows, this would not be the first outrageous thing they've done.
[hell, it wouldn't even make the top ten.]

That's what I've read. I'm not a direct witness to it. I read it here:

http://www.latterdaylampoon.com/interviews/raunihigley/

Also hearing from a person on this message board (can't remember who) that her and a family member had the same secret temple name only makes me believe it more. Think about it. How do they get the names? Geneology work and public records. They probably don't waste their money on actually purchasing lists from vendors, and even then, they'd have to run out of readily available names sometime.

I also heard that they used to give you a slip with a name on it, but now give you an envelope. Can anyone verify that, or am I blowing smoke?

Nate

[elder_nomo]

That's what I've read. I'm not a direct witness to it. I read it here:

http://www.latterdaylampoon.com/interviews/raunihigley/

Also hearing from a person on this message board (can't remember who) that her and a family member had the same secret temple name only makes me believe it more. Think about it. How do they get the names? Geneology work and public records. They probably don't waste their money on actually purchasing lists from vendors, and even then, they'd have to run out of readily available names sometime.

I also heard that they used to give you a slip with a name on it, but now give you an envelope. Can anyone verify that, or am I blowing smoke?

Nate
Thanks, Nate! In addition to the recycled temple list reference, the rest of the story (at that link) is fascinating.
BTW, I vaguely remember getting a slip with a name on it. I think it also had the date of birth (? or maybe just the year?)

[peter_mary]

Thanks, Nate! In addition to the recycled temple list reference, the rest of the story (at that link) is fascinating.
BTW, I vaguely remember getting a slip with a name on it. I think it also had the date of birth (? or maybe just the year?)

I also went and read Rauni Hinckley's story, and found it similar to many of those we read on this forum. But if you scroll all the way to the bottom, you can read how people reacted to her story on the Latterday Lampoon site...Sheesh! Those people really shouldn't be allowed off their meds! :Crazy:

Peter_mary

[silverfox]

http://www.4utah.com/local_news/local_headlines/story.aspx?content_id=CFCFEED5-C94C-4122-BB67-F1712DCC512F

LDS Church Invites Jewish Leaders to Salt Lake to Discuss Allegations
LAST UPDATE: 4/8/2005 7:03:23 PM

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints invites Jewish leaders to Salt Lake, after allegations the LDS Church continues to perform proxy baptisms for Jews and holocaust victims.

A 1995 agreement signed by Jewish leaders and the LDS Church called for a stop to the practice, most commonly known as "baptism for the dead." Members of the Jewish community claim the LDS Church has violated this agreement.

Church officials would not comment yet, but say, "We are looking forward to discussion with our Jewish guests." --Kim Farah, LDS Church spokesperson

[tjohnson]

Also hearing from a person on this message board (can't remember who) that her and a family member had the same secret temple name only makes me believe it more. Think about it. How do they get the names? Geneology work and public records. They probably don't waste their money on actually purchasing lists from vendors, and even then, they'd have to run out of readily available names sometime.

I also heard that they used to give you a slip with a name on it, but now give you an envelope. Can anyone verify that, or am I blowing smoke?

Nate

The "secret" temple names are based on the date you take your own endowments. So, if I took out my own endowments on March 5th (doesn't matter what year), everyone that did so on that same date has the same "secret" name. (of course, males and females are different). So, that means there are roughly 365 days minus Sundays (52) x male/female = 626 names that are used for every single endowed member of the LDS church. :duh

What's going to happen when in the afterlife Brigham Young calls out one of his wife's names and 150,000 women stand up. :D :D

[silverfox]

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600125516,00.html

I think I need to add to my will that under no circumstances is the church or my family to have my work done for me.

[peter_mary]

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600125516,00.html

I think I need to add to my will that under no circumstances is the church or my family to have my work done for me.

Silverfox, m' dear, you already know the signs and tokens...you can sneak right by the sentinals! :D

Peter_Mary

[dogzilla]

What's going to happen when in the afterlife Brigham Young calls out one of his wife's names and 150,000 women stand up. :D :D

Isn't that the whole point? Just what he wanted!

[free thinker]

What's going to happen when in the afterlife Brigham Young calls out one of his wife's names and 150,000 women stand up.
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Brig and Joe ,and all the fellas are gonna have a heydey of celestial sex with all them women folk!! :p

There will be lot's of swapping and swooning! Man what a place it will be. I goootta get back active man. I just gotta be there for that scene! And not one person will need Viagra, cuz there all gonna be glorified and perfected. Yup and that means everything!!

Free Thinker

[silverfox]

What's going to happen when in the afterlife Brigham Young calls out one of his wife's names and 150,000 women stand up.
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Brig and Joe ,and all the fellas are gonna have a heydey of celestial sex with all them women folk!! :p

There will be lot's of swapping and swooning! Man what a place it will be. I goootta get back active man. I just gotta be there for that scene! And not one person will need Viagra, cuz there all gonna be glorified and perfected. Yup and that means everything!!

Free Thinker

Oh, now, ft, don't get too excited. I imagine it way IMPERSONAL. I've said it before....each man will have their own cesestial conveyor belt of women. All their wives lined up, and you will have to go at it fast, fast, faster, faster!!! It's supposed to be all work, remember? There will be little temple worker like assistants, helping you, encouraging you, faster, faster, faster brother Free Thinker. You can do it! Meanwhile the wives are all popping out the babies.

Now who would really want to go to the CK? tsk tsk tsk

[free thinker]

Oh, now, ft, don't get too excited. I imagine it way IMPERSONAL. I've said it before....each man will have their own cesestial conveyor belt of women. All their wives lined up, and you will have to go at it fast, fast, faster, faster!!! It's supposed to be all work, remember? There will be little temple worker like assistants, helping you, encouraging you, faster, faster, faster brother Free Thinker. You can do it! Meanwhile the wives are all popping out the babies.

Now who would really want to go to the CK? tsk tsk tsk
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Leave it to the mo's to take all the fun out of sex!! Guess I'll just settle for hell. It will probably be more fun anyway!! :cool: Thanks for dashing my fantasy Silver fox!! :( :D

Free Thinker

[dogzilla]

Well, it might be fun if you get the job of "fluffer."

Private message me if you don't know what that is. Not a family-friendly answer! :eek:

[darkslider]

Oh, now, ft, don't get too excited. I imagine it way IMPERSONAL. I've said it before....each man will have their own cesestial conveyor belt of women. All their wives lined up, and you will have to go at it fast, fast, faster, faster!!! It's supposed to be all work, remember? There will be little temple worker like assistants, helping you, encouraging you, faster, faster, faster brother Free Thinker. You can do it! Meanwhile the wives are all popping out the babies.

Now who would really want to go to the CK? tsk tsk tsk
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Leave it to the mo's to take all the fun out of sex!! Guess I'll just settle for hell. It will probably be more fun anyway!! :cool: Thanks for dashing my fantasy Silver fox!! :( :D

Free Thinker

I think that as a male, Eternal Progression would be kind of fun. I mean, think about it. Perfect sex for eternity? Who would honestly pass that up? You are a God remember? There is going to be no "I have a headache" excuses. "Dammit! Increase my progeny!". . . </lead in to article>

Closely associated with the LDS doctrine of temple marriage is the doctrine of eternal increase. LDS leaders have defined this teaching as the ability for Mormon couples who have achieved celestial exaltation to procreate throughout eternity.

Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith (1876-1972), in volume 4 of his book, Answers to Gospel Questions, (p.197), stated: "Those who are married in the temple for all time and eternity obtain the blessing of eternal lives. I put stress on eternal lives. Eternal life is God's life, that is, to be like him. Eternal lives means eternal increase--the continuation, as the revelation says, of the seeds forever. To be married outside of the temple is for time only."

He also wrote, the ability to procreate was limited only to those who receive a celestial body, "Some will gain celestial bodies with all the powers of exaltation and eternal increase" (Doctrines of Salvation 2:287).

LDS Apostle Melvin J. Ballard (1873-1939) wrote, "What do we mean by endless or eternal increase? We mean that through the righteousness and faithfulness of men and women who keep the commandments of God they will come forth with celestial bodies, fitted and prepared to enter into their great, high and eternal glory in the celestial kingdom of God; and unto them, through their preparation, there will come children, who will be spirit children. I don't think that is very difficult to comprehend and understand" (Three Degrees of Glory, p.10).

In essence, the Mormon couple hopes to continue a process that began well into eternity past. Just as the Mormon Elohim had to produce spirit children who would eventually come to earth to inhabit a mortal tabernacle, so too, Mormon couples hope to be able to produce spirit children that will eventually take on human flesh and inhabit the world they will rule. Brigham Young [1801-1877] taught, "God has made His children like Himself to stand erect, and has endowed them with intelligence and power and dominion over all His works, and given them the same attributes which He himself possesses. He created man, as we create our children; for there is no other process of creation in heaven, on the earth, in the earth, or under the earth, or in all the eternities, that is, that were, or that ever will be." (Journal of Discourses 11:122-123).

In the words of LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie (1915-1985), "Exalted parents are to their children as our Eternal Parents are to us. Eternal increase, a continuation of the seeds forever and ever, eternal lives -- these comprise the eternal family of those who gain eternal life. For them new earths are created, and thus the on-rolling purposes of the Gods of Heaven go forward from eternity to eternity" (The Millennial Messiah, p.23).

On page 264 of the same book, McConkie went on to say, "Every person married in the temple for time and for all eternity has sealed upon him, conditioned upon his faithfulness, all of the blessings of the ancient patriarchs, including the crowning promise and assurance of eternal increase, which means, literally, a posterity as numerous as the dust particles of the earth."

While such a concept might appear pleasing to many males, I think it is important to look at it through the eyes of the female. Since the emphasis seems to be on increase, it would be reasonable to assume that populating the planet is a high priority. Therefore, the woman's role will entail producing as many spirit-children as necessary in order to see this goal come to fruition. Would this not mean that the goddess wife would have to look forward to an eternity of one pregnancy after another? If, as McConkie has stated, their posterity is to be as numerous as dust particles of the earth, we can easily imagine her going through literally billions of pregnancies and births throughout eternity. Once that world is full, another is formed and the process begins all over again. Said LDS Apostle Orson Pratt (1811-1881):

"As soon as each God has begotten many millions of male and female spirits, and his Heavenly inheritance becomes too small, to comfortably accommodate his great family, he, in connection with his sons, organizes a new world, after a similar order to the one which we now inhabit, where he sends both the male and female spirits to inhabit tabernacles of flesh and bones" (The Seer, p. 37).

For this reason LDS leaders have not hidden the fact that there are humans, like us, living on other worlds. According to Joseph Fielding Smith, "We are not the only people that the Lord has created. We have brothers and sisters on other earths. They look like us because they, too, are the children of God and were created in his image, for they are also his offspring" (Doctrines of Salvation 1:62). Unless the Mormon Elohim is a relatively new God, Smith's conclusion would have to be plausible from an LDS mindset. It would have to be conceivable that this planet is not his first.

A person can't help but wonder what happens back on the "full" earth. Since the very fact that it is full means there is no more room for any more of God's offspring, does that mean all of the inhabitants all of a sudden become sterile? If that be the case, would the inability to sexually reproduce not undermine a major doctrine of Mormonism, that being a prohibition against birth control?

It boggles the mind to think of how many spirit offspring the Mormon God must produce on a daily basis in order to keep up with the "mortal tabernacles" currently being created. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, close to 5.9 billion people now live on the earth. Each day more than 217,000 new people are born. This makes for a very sexually active God!

[miss taken]

It boggles the mind to think of how many spirit offspring the Mormon God must produce on a daily basis in order to keep up with the "mortal tabernacles" currently being created. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, close to 5.9 billion people now live on the earth. Each day more than 217,000 new people are born. This makes for a very sexually active God!


Reminds me of that alien film where the mother alien just keeps popping out those little eggs!!! Ewwwww.

[pokatator]

Sounds like a good time for a lesson on Celestial Sexually Transmitted Diseases.


Whoops, Hey the gene pool needs more water! :Puking

[silverfox]

Sounds like a good time for a lesson on Celestial Sexually Transmitted Diseases.


Whoops, Hey the gene pool needs more water! :Puking

LOL :D :D