Kuhn and Loeb LDS connection ?

[papa]

I have read of a connection between the bankers Kuhn and Loeb and the LDS church, in the late 19th century. I am seeking more info on this topic. Can anyone here share, or point me toward some more info?

[silverfox]

I have read of a connection between the bankers Kuhn and Loeb and the LDS church, in the late 19th century. I am seeking more info on this topic. Can anyone here share, or point me toward some more info?

The only thing I've come across is that Kuhn and Loeb funded getting the church started for Joseph. But I have no details, etc. I have also heard that Kuhn and Loeb also funded Hitler's movement, but I have no links or resources to support it and haven't done any research on the matter.

[Born Free]

I have read of a connection between the bankers Kuhn and Loeb and the LDS church, in the late 19th century. I am seeking more info on this topic. Can anyone here share, or point me toward some more info?
Papa,

I had never heard of this financing before, but a quick Internet search threw me headlong into conspiracy theory stuff. And loads of it.

I am mega-suspicious of conspiracy theories, particularly Jewish/Rothchild-based conspiracy theories.

What I find far more interesting is why some social groups find conspiracy theories more appealing, and Mormonism is one of them.

My own interim theory is that people who actively deny the inappropriate control they allow leaders over their life, then have a need to project that denial out onto some conspiracy (control) theory "out there".

Most events in history do not need conspiracy theories to explain events. Cock-up theory will suffice just fine.

Even if Smith got finance, the Mormons probably had little colateral, so had to deal with fringe lenders, which is frequently Jews because of how they have been marginalised by society.

Daryl

[papa]

thanks folks, yeah I wasn't really concerned about finance that Joseph might have arranged. I was more interested in finance that Woodruff or Jos. F. Smith might have arranged, as indicated in Frank Cannon's "Under the Prophet in Utah", when the church was in dire financial straits in the latter half of the nineteenth century. Specifically, Cannon mentioned that JF Smith was allied closely with what he called the "New York Interests", or Wall Street bankers. I had read that Kuhn and Loeb were the agents for Morgan Bank in this arrangement. And I am curious as to what degree this financial or political relationship persists.

Is this the stuff of conspiracy theory? Dunno, but financial/political pressure is real, when you borrow from the Vegas mob for example, you become "beholden" to them in many ways, for a long time to come. Thus my curiosity as to whom the LDS may have cozied up to financially.

[helemon]

thanks folks, yeah I wasn't really concerned about finance that Joseph might have arranged. I was more interested in finance that Woodruff or Jos. F. Smith might have arranged, as indicated in Frank Cannon's "Under the Prophet in Utah", when the church was in dire financial straits in the latter half of the nineteenth century. Specifically, Cannon mentioned that JF Smith was allied closely with what he called the "New York Interests", or Wall Street bankers. I had read that Kuhn and Loeb were the agents for Morgan Bank in this arrangement. And I am curious as to what degree this financial or political relationship persists.

Is this the stuff of conspiracy theory? Dunno, but financial/political pressure is real, when you borrow from the Vegas mob for example, you become "beholden" to them in many ways, for a long time to come. Thus my curiosity as to whom the LDS may have cozied up to financially.

Interesting. I was going to say that I doubt JS received money from them otherwise he wouldn't have needed Martin Harris to put up money to print the BoM and he wouldn't have tried that banking scheme in OH. I read that the church nearly went bankrupt during the early part of the 20th century. I think it began to make a come back during Hugh B. Brown's presidency.
http://www.lds-mormon.com/brown2.shtml