View Full Version : You MUST get MARRIED GIRLS!!!
miss taken
28th May 2005, 03:08 PM
My friend just sent me this!!
Bittersweet joke for me, and funny cause as soon as I started to leave the church the desire to 'GET MARRIED' also flew out of the window, and I stopped waiting and started living!!!!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/jennyfoo2you/single_Mormon_woman_cartoon.jpg
Mary
free thinker
29th May 2005, 01:23 AM
Bittersweet joke for me, and funny cause as soon as I started to leave the church the desire to 'GET MARRIED' also flew out of the window, and I stopped waiting and started living!!!!
Unfortunately many LDS ladies will marry thinking that they have reached the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Many will be sorely disappointed when they find out it takes real work, and that love is much more than gazing into a mans eyes as your heart burns.
I have seen the failed dreams many times as a single man in the middle singles program. A more realistic approach, I think, would save a lot of heartache.
Free Thinker
taegan
29th May 2005, 02:11 AM
My friend just sent me this!!
Bittersweet joke for me, and funny cause as soon as I started to leave the church the desire to 'GET MARRIED' also flew out of the window, and I stopped waiting and started living!!!!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/jennyfoo2you/single_Mormon_woman_cartoon.jpg
Mary
OMG me too! When I was a member, all I ever wanted to do was be a wife and mommy. Our senior year in high school, we had to do this project for english class where we did research on the career we wanted and bring in samples or handouts relating to that career. I actually choose "Homemaker" as my career because all I wanted to do was get married! I had NO career goals and never even applied to colleges because I figured I'd be getting married and having babies soon, LOL. Although I did pass out homemade cookies as my handout... that went really well. =) As soon as I stopped going to church, marriage was the LAST thing on my mind. I ended up getting married, having a baby and becoming a homemaker anyways.....I'll be damned! At least I'm almost finished with my degree though! :p
miss taken
29th May 2005, 03:11 AM
OMG me too! When I was a member, all I ever wanted to do was be a wife and mommy. Our senior year in high school, we had to do this project for english class where we did research on the career we wanted and bring in samples or handouts relating to that career. I actually choose "Homemaker" as my career because all I wanted to do was get married! I had NO career goals and never even applied to colleges because I figured I'd be getting married and having babies soon, LOL. Although I did pass out homemade cookies as my handout... that went really well. =) As soon as I stopped going to church, marriage was the LAST thing on my mind. I ended up getting married, having a baby and becoming a homemaker anyways.....I'll be damned! At least I'm almost finished with my degree though! :p
Taegan, thank goodness I am not alone!!!
Free Thinker I have known quite a few girls (some my close friends) follow that dream, get married in the temple, blah, blah only to find out that they married some ##igging ##hithead who treats them like crap! and run off with other women in moments of weakness..
and they sigh, because that was not what they had in mind when they married their temple worthy RM!!! Like that is the most important thing when choosing a mate. ( I once bought into that too).. I have seen quite a few shattered dreams...
makes me sad.... (because they were/are really really good girls, full of integrity)..
Mind you, I am not punching up on the guys here, I have known one female to do the same thing but it is the exception rather than the rule in my experience in the church....
Mary
why me
29th May 2005, 01:16 PM
Taegan, thank goodness I am not alone!!!
Free Thinker I have known quite a few girls (some my close friends) follow that dream, get married in the temple, blah, blah only to find out that they married some ##igging ##hithead who treats them like crap! and run off with other women in moments of weakness..
and they sigh, because that was not what they had in mind when they married their temple worthy RM!!! Like that is the most important thing when choosing a mate. ( I once bought into that too).. I have seen quite a few shattered dreams...
makes me sad.... (because they were/are really really good girls, full of integrity)..
Mind you, I am not punching up on the guys here, I have known one female to do the same thing but it is the exception rather than the rule in my experience in the church....
Mary
Marriage is difficult in or out of the church. Free Thinker had a good point about setting realistic dreams. It is not that surprising that church marriages fail. The dreams often confront reality and the dream and reality are sometimes two different pieces of the same pie. But for church members divorce can especially be traumatc. The celestial dream can come tumbling down but with a clear head both the man and the woman can find another life for themselves. The stigma of divorce is not that powerful anymore in the church. It is common and more accepted. But it is nice to have dreams of prince charming and princess beautiful. We all have dreams but with a little more research into the partner we might discover the prince was a bull frog and the princess was a actually a toad. But one can also never be sure until you marry the person...it is roulette for sure... :)
I don't think the pressure to marry is as strong in other parts of the world as in Utah...but I am sure that it is a dream because of the celestial idea of it all.
I just don't see the pressure anymore...not like it was in the seventies when I was young and looking unsuccessfully for a woman... :cool:
miss taken
29th May 2005, 04:08 PM
Marriage is difficult in or out of the church. Free Thinker had a good point about setting realistic dreams. It is not that surprising that church marriages fail. The dreams often confront reality and the dream and reality are sometimes two different pieces of the same pie. But for church members divorce can especially be traumatc. The celestial dream can come tumbling down but with a clear head both the man and the woman can find another life for themselves. The stigma of divorce is not that powerful anymore in the church. It is common and more accepted. But it is nice to have dreams of prince charming and princess beautiful. We all have dreams but with a little more research into the partner we might discover the prince was a bull frog and the princess was a actually a toad. But one can also never be sure until you marry the person...it is roulette for sure... :)
I don't think the pressure to marry is as strong in other parts of the world as in Utah...but I am sure that it is a dream because of the celestial idea of it all.
I just don't see the pressure anymore...not like it was in the seventies when I was young and looking unsuccessfully for a woman... :cool:
Yes, I do agree with that Why me.. Marriage can be a challenge, I guess so far (fingers crossed) I have been fortunate because I married a best friend as well as a companion. We genuinely respected and liked each other. I think that helps. I truly believe that my ability to make a decent decision about the right kind of companion for me, went up 200% when I started dating outside the church, which I NEVER would have considered doing while I was active. I feel guilty about that now. I had such high, high ideals, based on such shaky premises.
Mary
outsideriq
29th May 2005, 04:41 PM
Being in Idaho and hearing (eavesdropping? :D ) what is going on with the 18-21 year olds, I think that the pressure to marry is still VERY strong. In fact, I have a friend who is a gorgeous, intelligent, 21 year old male who feels sooooo much pressure to get married that when he dates a girl and I ask if she's good looking, his response is none other than "Cute enough to marry, I guess." :slap: WOW! Talk about selling himself short. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of girls attending my University for no other reason than to find a husband and once they reach 20, it seems they reach the "freak out" phase because of the pressure. I am afraid it's very alive and well around here. Then again, we have a higher percentage of LDS per capita than Utah, too! :Crazy:
Marriage is difficult in or out of the church. Free Thinker had a good point about setting realistic dreams. It is not that surprising that church marriages fail. The dreams often confront reality and the dream and reality are sometimes two different pieces of the same pie. But for church members divorce can especially be traumatc. The celestial dream can come tumbling down but with a clear head both the man and the woman can find another life for themselves. The stigma of divorce is not that powerful anymore in the church. It is common and more accepted. But it is nice to have dreams of prince charming and princess beautiful. We all have dreams but with a little more research into the partner we might discover the prince was a bull frog and the princess was a actually a toad. But one can also never be sure until you marry the person...it is roulette for sure... :)
I don't think the pressure to marry is as strong in other parts of the world as in Utah...but I am sure that it is a dream because of the celestial idea of it all.
I just don't see the pressure anymore...not like it was in the seventies when I was young and looking unsuccessfully for a woman.
aether
30th May 2005, 10:23 AM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/jennyfoo2you/single_Mormon_woman_cartoon.jpg
Ha! It's funny because it's true. That picture looks disturbingly similar to my old roommate's side of the room.
dancinfree
30th May 2005, 11:17 AM
My daughter and I were discussing this subject with my hubby about how we both felt pressured throughout our young women years to get married. That the goal of our lives "should" be focusing on getting married (in the temple, of course) and having lots of "Saturday Warriors", not necessarily attaining an education. My husband defended the church saying that the pressure is coming from the community and not from the Top Brethren or the Top leaders of the YW of the church.
So, I looked for some evidence to prove that that was not the case and I had a hard time finding any hard core talks or mention of marriage and babies ahead of educational goals. If anyone out there can site some specific talks, I would appreciate that. Even if the idea does come from the community, when my Young Women leaders spoke or gave lessons to me, I thought that all that they spoke was coming from the Lord because I was taught that. Education was not taught as being that important compared the ultimate Celestial creation of a family...ahhh, the Bliss!
They were in such a powerful position of influence that
contributed to some heavy decisions in my life. It quite makes me grin to see the growth of so long ago...yippee!
free thinker
30th May 2005, 11:36 AM
So, I looked for some evidence to prove that that was not the case and I had a hard time finding any hard core talks or mention of marriage and babies ahead of educational goals. If anyone out there can site some specific talks, I would appreciate that. Even if the idea does come from the community, when my Young Women leaders spoke or gave lessons to me, I thought that all that they spoke was coming from the Lord because I was taught that. Education was not taught as being that important compared the ultimate Celestial creation of a family...ahhh, the Bliss!
Hey Dancin
Probably you will not find much from GA'S concerning early marriage and family starting, but it would be inconceivable that they are not aware of the pressure that is brought to bear.
What you will not see is the GA'S giving explicit advice to delay family until you have an education etc. One talk from the president after this manner, and you would see the fast marriage rhetoric end quickly.
Free Thinker
why me
30th May 2005, 11:47 AM
My daughter and I were discussing this subject with my hubby about how we both felt pressured throughout our young women years to get married. That the goal of our lives "should" be focusing on getting married (in the temple, of course) and having lots of "Saturday Warriors", not necessarily attaining an education. My husband defended the church saying that the pressure is coming from the community and not from the Top Brethren or the Top leaders of the YW of the church.
So, I looked for some evidence to prove that that was not the case and I had a hard time finding any hard core talks or mention of marriage and babies ahead of educational goals. If anyone out there can site some specific talks, I would appreciate that. Even if the idea does come from the community, when my Young Women leaders spoke or gave lessons to me, I thought that all that they spoke was coming from the Lord because I was taught that. Education was not taught as being that important compared the ultimate Celestial creation of a family...ahhh, the Bliss!
They were in such a powerful position of influence that
contributed to some heavy decisions in my life. It quite makes me grin to see the growth of so long ago...yippee!
Time to say that Hubby was right and on target! :D It has always been my impression that members are extremely hard on themselves. I remember the pressure too when I was young. But where did it come from? I always assumed that it came from the top but maybe it didn't. It just came from us members but still something tells me that the pressure came from the GA's or maybe I just want to believe that it did. But of course there are other pressures too. But where do they originate?? In our heads...from satan? Strange...so strange. :) Maybe the pressure is in the shadows of the messages that are given from Salt Lake...I think that free thinker is right in his last part of his post. And maybe that is where the pressure to marry early comes from.
dancinfree
30th May 2005, 12:11 PM
Time to say that Hubby was right and on target! :D It has always been my impression that members are extremely hard on themselves. I remember the pressure too when I was young. But where did it come from? I always assumed that it came from the top but maybe it didn't. It just came from us members but still something tells me that the pressure came from the GA's or maybe I just want to believe that it did. But of course there are other pressures too. But where do they originate?? In our heads...from satan? Strange...so strange. :) Maybe the pressure is in the shadows of the messages that are given from Salt Lake...I think that free thinker is right in his last part of his post. And maybe that is where the pressure to marry early comes from.
I guess what was NOT said was more powerful to me than what WAS said. Thanks for the feedback guys!
bigeddy
30th May 2005, 01:26 PM
When I got home from the mission thing one of the first issues of the Ensign to hit the hot choclate table in my parents' living room had, on the cover(!), a picture of a stack of textbooks with a baby bottle on the top. :Puking Inside was an editorial by Spencer about the need to not put off marriage for an education. Now, this was in 1975 but when a prophet talks like that (ON THE COVER!!) and it is never diputed or repudiated it lingers and I believe the pressure has to be laid at the doors of the leaders.
That article had a lot to do with what we did with our lives. By the time I graduated with a bachelor's degree we had 2 children, little money, etc. etc. etc. I have often thought what would have happened if I had not read that damn magazine.
I spend a lot of time with students aged 18 through whatever and I can tell you the pressure is alive and well.
Ed
miss taken
30th May 2005, 01:46 PM
I think the other pressure also, is from the probable fact that a lot of hormonal 20 year olds want to have sex, and the only legal way that they can do that is if they marry.
So, in order to put up with the pressure of not having sex and not getting married, you literally have to cut out of your system all sexual parts of your nature. I know that I did that for quite a while, and it was the only way to cope with raging hormones and being single, and to cope with the dating game. It was flipping hard!!
Mary
outsideriq
30th May 2005, 05:57 PM
"So, I looked for some evidence to prove that that was not the case and I had a hard time finding any hard core talks or mention of marriage and babies ahead of educational goals. If anyone out there can site some specific talks, I would appreciate that. Even if the idea does come from the community, when my Young Women leaders spoke or gave lessons to me, I thought that all that they spoke was coming from the Lord because I was taught that. Education was not taught as being that important compared the ultimate Celestial creation of a family...ahhh, the Bliss!" Posted by dancinfree
So, I found this. I take away from it that family and marriage come first, but let's see what you all think.
http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,538-1-3100-1,00.html
taegan
31st May 2005, 12:34 AM
Wanna talk about pressure to marry? This still cracks DH and I up.
After about 2 weeks of "officialy" being a couple, he took me to meet his parents. We got there and his sister and her 3 kids happened to drop by....as did his other sister....grandparents....and uncle. My husband looked at me and shook his head, because he was kind of embarrassed they all did this. They had all come to "investigate" me, since Rick did NOT take girls home to meet the family. It was funny because they all had one excuse or another as to why they just happened to "pop" by (his grandparents lived 45 minutes away).
The next morning at 7am the phone rang while we were still in bed (yep, evil Tae.. in bed before marriage!?!) and it was his mother asking when Rick planned on asking me to get married!! I guess she and the family kept this up for a few weeks, getting after him because they felt I'd make a great wife (I offered to help his mom cut veggies for dinner) and mother (I help his 6 weeks old nephew when he cried). I mean, really! Even though we were inactive and not interested in the church anymore.. I think the reason we got married so fast WAS because of the pressure we still felt. :Puking We both agree that even though we knew we were meant for eachother and were soulmates :Puking we should have waited a year to get married.. if nothing else, just to piss our family off by living in sin, hahahha.
Born Free
31st May 2005, 02:14 AM
In the last 6 weeks I have received calls from 2 old acquaintances from 30 years ago when I was still Mo.
Two things stand out from the calls:
1. What breeders many of those old Mo friends are. The guy who called yesterday and his wife had 8, of whom 7 survive. An old girlfriend of mine lives down the road from them. She has 10. :eek: We have 4 and if I had my time over I would halve that! :Crazy:
2. The paranoid part of me is wondering has my Post-Mo activity drawn the crabs? Have I stirred up an ants nest, and they are "Comin' to save/silence me!"
But under Church influence and all the sexual paranoia, we married 2 days after I turned 21, which I regard as way too young. I was infantile. How my marriage ever survived I have no idea.
We received an invitation to visit (the former friends) for a weekend. The friendship was strained years ago by his wifes emotional immaturity, and shallow fear-based thinking (she would not even talk to my wife when she spotted no TGs about the time we left!). Like to guess the liklihood we would attempt a weekend long visit? I need that like another hole in the head! (On second thoughts, maybe we should visit and my wife sunbathe topless by the pool!) :eek:
Daryl
dancinfree
31st May 2005, 02:10 PM
So, I found this. I take away from it that family and marriage come first, but let's see what you all think.
http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,538-1-3100-1,00.html[/QUOTE]
Thanks outsideriq! This is the same talk that my daughter was fuming about earlier. She can't believe that now they're telling young people the "right" way to date!! It's getting quite ridiculous!! Also, it sounds like an education for a single woman is only for taking up time until the "real" purpose of her life gets started. Maybe it's just me being defensive. With talks like this, now I know why I thought I should hurry and get married...why wait? for what? start getting busy on doing what I was "meant" to do, why wait for something like a degree to get in my way...oh grrrrr!
why me
1st June 2005, 07:54 AM
[B]Tnks outsideriq! This is the same talk that my daughter was fuming about earlier. She can't believe that now they're telling young people the "right" way to date!! It's getting quite ridiculous!! Also, it sounds like an education for a single woman is only for taking up time until the "real" purpose of her life gets started. Maybe it's just me being defensive. With talks like this, now I know why I thought I should hurry and get married...why wait? for what? start getting busy on doing what I was "meant" to do, why wait for something like a degree to get in my way...oh grrrrr!
Oh by the way dancinfree, I think that it is now time for aether to consider marriage. How old is she now...21? I remember she said something to that effect. She is at this moment in her prime for child bearing age. Also by marrying now she will begin to raise a happy family and you can become a dancinfree grandma. :p
Aether..find a nice guy to marry...stay home and raise those children...and find contentment in the home. You are a woman....why would you need to think about work and schooling? :rolleyes: Good luck in your search for that wonderful guy..... :p Make Ma a grandma!
Hmmmm...I wonder if dancinfree got a little hot under the collar with this post...???? :p I hope that she knows that I am joking...
aether
1st June 2005, 01:07 PM
Hmmmm...I wonder if dancinfree got a little hot under the collar with this post...???? :p I hope that she knows that I am joking...
Now tell me Why Me, why would that get my mother hot under the collar and not me? Isn't it every mother's dream for her daughter to get married to a handsome, rich man and be secure for the rest of her life?
I on the other hand, would like to remain independent for as long as I am able. (I'm 18, BTW, but I've known plenty of girls who find that a perfectly decent age to marry. :Puking: )
dancinfree
1st June 2005, 04:28 PM
Oh by the way dancinfree, I think that it is now time for aether to consider marriage. How old is she now...21? I remember she said something to that effect. She is at this moment in her prime for child bearing age. Also by marrying now she will begin to raise a happy family and you can become a dancinfree grandma. :p
Aether..find a nice guy to marry...stay home and raise those children...and find contentment in the home. You are a woman....why would you need to think about work and schooling? Good luck in your search for that wonderful guy..... Make Ma a grandma!
Hmmmm...I wonder if dancinfree got a little hot under the collar with this post...???? I hope that she knows that I am joking...
No worries Why me, I was belly laughin before I finished reading!! :D You are the best!! Thanks for the grins this morning!! You "get" what pushes my buttons, I see...GREAT STUFF!! :p
why me
2nd June 2005, 06:01 AM
Now tell me Why Me, why would that get my mother hot under the collar and not me? Isn't it every mother's dream for her daughter to get married to a handsome, rich man and be secure for the rest of her life?
I on the other hand, would like to remain independent for as long as I am able. (I'm 18, BTW, but I've known plenty of girls who find that a perfectly decent age to marry. :Puking: )
Ummm...good point....but I knew that you wouldn't be angry. I know that you have a great sense of humor. This is why you should marry and have lots of kids. Any man would be blessed with such a wonderful wife and mother for his children. A woman with a sense of humor and a knack for homemaking would be quite a catch. Have you ever thought about one of them there Utah cowboys? This way here the kids can have a ranch to hang around on...and ride horses and feed the cows...I think that it is a great idea..... :p and I am sure that mom would agree. :p Good luck cowboy hunting!
aether
2nd June 2005, 10:21 AM
Ummm...good point....but I knew that you wouldn't be angry. I know that you have a great sense of humor. This is why you should marry and have lots of kids. Any man would be blessed with such a wonderful wife and mother for his children. A woman with a sense of humor and a knack for homemaking would be quite a catch. Have you ever thought about one of them there Utah cowboys? This way here the kids can have a ranch to hang around on...and ride horses and feed the cows...I think that it is a great idea..... :p and I am sure that mom would agree. :p Good luck cowboy hunting!
Ugh. Cowboys? You've GOT to be kidding me. I can't even stand country music, much less the guys who sing it. :Puking:
:D And who said anything about a knack for homemaking? I assure you I am going to be the worst homemaker ever. Just ask my mom. I tried to make muffins this past weekend for her (since she had foot surgery) but... there are no words to describe.. how terrible they were. There was something wrong with the brown sugar.. and they came out tasting like yeast. Which is highly strange because I didn't even put any yeast in them! The only redeeming factor was the chocolate chips, because chocolate solves all problems, but it didn't much matter because the muffins were so crumbly that all the chocolate chips fell out anyway. *sigh* My poor, poor future husband. He's going to have to know how to cook. Whoever gave me that Food Handler's Permit was an idiot.
peter_mary
2nd June 2005, 10:43 AM
The only redeeming factor was the chocolate chips, because chocolate solves all problems, but it didn't much matter because the muffins were so crumbly that all the chocolate chips fell out anyway. *sigh*
Ladies, there is a simple solution to the problem of icky, crumbly chocolate chip muffins. Simply dip them in chocolate, and allow to cool until the chocolate forms a shell around the muffin. Or, in extreme cases, discard the muffin all together and simply pour the chocolate in the muffin tins and allow to cool.
Voila! Problem solved by chocolate! :D
Peter_Martha_Stewart_Mary
dogzilla
2nd June 2005, 11:08 AM
I was going to suggest completely chucking the muffin mix and just eat the chips straight outta the bag.
Your poor, poor husband will have to know how to cook? This is a smart, smart thing for you to establish right up front. If he wants homecooked meals, he'll have to get his mommy to send over casseroles. Think how free you'll be if all you have to know is: a) how to dial for carry out and b) where your favorite restaurants are. More room in that cranium of yours to cram full of interesting facts and useful knowledge.
Love,
Dogzilla
(who is a great cook, by the way, and loves to)
why me
2nd June 2005, 02:04 PM
Ugh. Cowboys? You've GOT to be kidding me. I can't even stand country music, much less the guys who sing it.
And who said anything about a knack for homemaking? I assure you I am going to be the worst homemaker ever. Just ask my mom. I tried to make muffins this past weekend for her (since she had foot surgery) but... there are no words to describe.. how terrible they were. There was something wrong with the brown sugar.. and they came out tasting like yeast. Which is highly strange because I didn't even put any yeast in them! The only redeeming factor was the chocolate chips, because chocolate solves all problems, but it didn't much matter because the muffins were so crumbly that all the chocolate chips fell out anyway. *sigh* My poor, poor future husband. He's going to have to know how to cook. Whoever gave me that Food Handler's Permit was an idiot.
Good luck at USU. I am sure that you will do fine there. She are very intelliengent. When I was 18 I didn't know squat about anything. You are so much more above me in life knowledge than I was at 18. I don't know where you got your insights---from observation and reflection? but you certainly have a good understanding about life...keep learning aether and keep using those senses of yours when you are at school...I think that you have a bright future ahead of you and you are certainly no 'kid'. Good luck... :)
PS: Maybe you can take a cooking class at USU... :D Also, Free Thinker knows how to make a great batch of double chocolate chip cookies...he will definitely share his receipe with you.... :p Drop him on line if you need help... :p
aether
3rd June 2005, 05:58 PM
You are so much more above me in life knowledge than I was at 18. I don't know where you got your insights---from observation and reflection? but you certainly have a good understanding about life...
Aww you're so sweet. ^_^ But really, it's all my parents' doing. My mom especially is my ultimate hero; I can ask for nothing more in a mother. Witnessing friends who have a bit of close-mindedness syndrome, I take a look at their relationship with their parents, and straight down the line there are always problems with attachment, judgement, and especially open communication about sexuality, spirituality, education, and emotions in general. I've had no problems like that. It makes me kind of sad though.. my parents are the minority when they should be the majority. I'm not that insightful.. I'm just the result of decent upbringing.
why me
4th June 2005, 03:03 AM
Aww you're so sweet. ^_^ But really, it's all my parents' doing. My mom especially is my ultimate hero; I can ask for nothing more in a mother. Witnessing friends who have a bit of close-mindedness syndrome, I take a look at their relationship with their parents, and straight down the line there are always problems with attachment, judgement, and especially open communication about sexuality, spirituality, education, and emotions in general. I've had no problems like that. It makes me kind of sad though.. my parents are the minority when they should be the majority. I'm not that insightful.. I'm just the result of decent upbringing.
It was a real pleasure to read that you have such a great relationship with your parents. :) It is so important to have a terrific retationship with mom and dad and all the rest of the family. You are extremely fortunate and lucky. It is wonderful that you know how fortunate you are in this life. I hope that you will continue posting from USU. Good luck with school..... :)
noodle
4th June 2005, 08:49 AM
aether, I'm here in Logan, so if you ever need anything whilst at USU, give me a holler. You can PM me, and I can supply you with emergency chocolate, etc. :D BTW, there is a cooking class offered through the culinary arts program at USU, and some of my "more mature" friends have recently taken it. They say it is a great class, and they learned stuff that they never knew. I just might consider taking it myself. They brought stuff into work (I work at USU) that they had made for class that was awfully yummy.
mamajama
dancinfree
4th June 2005, 11:26 AM
Aww you're so sweet. ^_^ But really, it's all my parents' doing. My mom especially is my ultimate hero; I can ask for nothing more in a mother. Witnessing friends who have a bit of close-mindedness syndrome, I take a look at their relationship with their parents, and straight down the line there are always problems with attachment, judgement, and especially open communication about sexuality, spirituality, education, and emotions in general. I've had no problems like that. It makes me kind of sad though.. my parents are the minority when they should be the majority. I'm not that insightful.. I'm just the result of decent upbringing.
My dear daughter,
Let me just say that your words are truly a gift to me...brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for your honoring spirit and your grateful heart. You embrace me and all that I am and in that, I can share freely who I am, which allows me a beautiful glimpse into your soul. You have given me the greatest compliment by recognizing the beauty of love and acceptance that is truly yours to give and receive. I love you with all my heart! Marmy
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