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helemon
29th May 2005, 11:30 PM
Thank a Homosexual for Your Bible
http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/kingjames.html
Also see:
http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/king-james.html

"While his close relationships with a number of men were noted, earlier historians questioned their sexual nature, however, few modern historians cast any doubt on the King's bisexuality and the fact that his sexuality and choice of male partners both as King of Scotland then later in London as King of England were the subject of gossip from the city taverns to the Privy Council. His relationship as a teenager with fellow teenager Esmé Stuart, Earl of Lennox was criticized by Scottish Church leaders, who were part of a conspiracy to keep the young King and the young French courtier apart, as the relationship was improper to say the least. Lennox, facing threats of death, was forced to leave Scotland.

In the 1580s, King James openly kissed Francis Stewart Hepburn, Earl of Bothwell. Contemporary sources clearly hinted their relationship was a sexual one. When James inherited the English throne from Queen Elizabeth I in 1603, it was openly joked of the new English monarch in London that “Elizabeth was King: now James is Queen!” If there is still any doubt, it should be noted that George Villiers, also held an intimate relationship with King James, about which King James himself was quite open. King James called Villiers his “wife” and called himself Villiers' “husband”! King James died in 1625 of gout and senility. He is buried in the Henry VII chapel in Westminster Abbey, with one of his favorite male suitors on his right, and another on his left."

free thinker
30th May 2005, 12:23 AM
Very interesting Helemon!!


The book " God's Secretaries" by Adam Nicolson gives a quite detailed account of the creation of the King James Bible. I am in my second reading and it is fascinating.

Free Thinker

miss taken
30th May 2005, 04:26 PM
Of course he didn't translate it himself, it was commissioned under his kingship.

Now Helemon don't go critisizing our monarchy or you will be sent to the Tower!!!!!! :eek:

Remember the 'divine right of kings'!!!!!!! :D

Mary

doug_larsen
2nd April 2006, 02:09 PM
14. Both the Greek and Roman Empires considered exclusive heterosexuality and exclusive homosexuality to be abnormal. They believed that all people should be bisexual.

Kinda late to be perusing this, I reckon, but this one point required a question: what about the Roman army's rule that soldiers caught in homosexual relations would be executed? I don't have a source. This is just something that is common knowledge. It even is well known enough to be inserted into Harry Turtledove's The Videssos Cycle.

I am constantly in difficulties with various agenda-based history revisionists. I don't trust any of them. Of course, as one's historical world view is first engendered by the public schooling system, and as said-system is staffed by predominantly conservative Christian types (at least in terms of their own upbringing. i.e. an ongoing propagation), I find that I am also constantly being disabused of notions that I have held all of my life. Yet it would come as quite a shock to my senses, to "discover" that the RCC ever actively performed same-sex marriages at any time in its history, much less "routinely performing wedding ceremonies for same-sex couples" up till c. 1400.

I can more easily accept that the Hebrew and Greek scriptures do not directly address homosexuality as a sin (not knowing either lingo, I remain in ignorance). But direct references are not required. If the meaning was inferred by popular interpretation, then where is the documentation to prove that "...social tides in Europe began to turn against homosexuality around the thirteenth century. Up until that time, there was no organized opposition to homosexuality, either from society or from the church."?

I have a difficult time with the notion that society was that free of RCC influence. The prohibition was religious, not societal: that is my understanding. The current move away from religious prohibition is a continuation of the Reformation, the "revolt", against the complete control exercised by the RCC. If you get rid of religious prohibitions, then society will be "free" to change their minds. That is what is happening today. And I don't think it has ever been different.

helemon
2nd April 2006, 03:35 PM
what about the Roman army's rule that soldiers caught in homosexual relations would be executed?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar,_Julius
When the Romans laid siege to Mytilene, on the island of Lesbos, he was dispatched to Bithynia, on the southern coast of the Black Sea, to persuade King Nicomedes II to make his fleet available to Marcus Thermus in the Aegean Sea. He accepted on the condition that Caesar share his bed, and Caesar reportedly complied. The idea of a patrician playing the role of a male prostitute stirred up a scandal back in Rome. His enemies later accused him of this affair on numerous occasions, and it haunted him for his entire political career.

dogzilla
3rd April 2006, 07:29 AM
Very interesting Helemon!!


The book " God's Secretaries" by Adam Nicolson gives a quite detailed account of the creation of the King James Bible. I am in my second reading and it is fascinating.

Free Thinker

Hey, whaddya doin' round here? Slummin'? Thought you quit us.

helemon
3rd April 2006, 08:02 AM
Hey, whaddya doin' round here? Slummin'? Thought you quit us.
That post was from last May. :duh

dogzilla
3rd April 2006, 08:47 AM
That post was from last May. :duh

:duh



And I'm still an hour behind the rest of you.


:o

puff
8th April 2006, 03:29 AM
:duh



And I'm still an hour behind the rest of you.


:oyou must be smokin something really good