Chastised by FAIR moderator

[helemon]

I was chastized today by the FAIR moderator for commenting on a joke about Neanderthal baptisms. I simply added one line:
I baptize you in the name of Ooork Nglre who is dead...
I guess FAIR doesn't take kindly to such humor. :slap:

My other comment that was cut was in response to someone who asserted that since there have been no DNA verified children produced by the women Joseph was allegedly married to then there is no evidence that he ever consumated the marriages.

I noted that there were several reasons why Joseph may not have fathered children such as low sperm count, ED or his pants being to tight. I think it may have been the last one that set off the alarms. I thought I was being good by not spelling out erectile disorder. The pants too tight thing is something that can cause low sperm count, and is something I heard as a kid as to why garments are so great and why as a child my mother bought boxers for me, because they are more like garments. :duh

I guess that was just too much information.

There was a post last week from a young man who was preparing to get married and wanted to know about oral sex since he had heard that the church leaders condemed it but his wife to be wanted to be able to engage in it. The moderators shut that one down right away. Poor kid! :(

Anyway, just wanted to thank you guys for being more open minded about topics over here! :D

[why me]

You caught my attention when you mentioned oral sex. I have to feel sorry for the guy who asked that question. I could never really find out the answer to the oral sex problem but I have heard the question before. I don't think that the church interferes with the sex life of members once they are married. But I know that there are priesthood holders in important positions which could give a no to oral sex. I can't see why married couples cannot do what they want to do in bed or anywhere else. Why would fair close down that forum site?
But helemon you were probably censored for straying across the line. As in this forum, people need to follow certain forum rules and you probably strayed over the line. Postmormon.org has also come down on people who do not keep to the rules...such a policy provides sanity for the atmosphere and comfort for the posters. But at least you weren't excommunicated from the forum site. Your handle is still good but if you cause too much trouble and show disrespect to prophets or church leaders...you are history. And that is the way it should be at fair...it is an unofficial Mormon site with the stress on Mormon... Good luck over there....and keep cool by wearing some shades when you post at fair. :cool:

[silverfox]

You caught my attention when you mentioned oral sex. I have to feel sorry for the guy who asked that question. I could never really find out the answer to the oral sex problem but I have heard the question before. I don't think that the church interferes with the sex life of members once they are married. But I know that there are priesthood holders in important positions which could give a no to oral sex. I can't see why married couples cannot do what they want to do in bed or anywhere else. Why would fair close down that forum site?

In the 80's there was a HUGE issue regarding oral sex. In some wards it was a standard question asked during the temple recommend interview. I remember this well and was SHOCKED at being asked something so personal.

I think the leaders got the hint after a while and discontinued the question. But I think it took several years and after many many complaints from members.

I have not had an interview with a bishop for several years now so I have no idea if questions regarding a married couple's sex life are asked or referred to anymore. Unless the member brings it up.

[helemon]

But helemon you were probably censored for straying across the line.

No I was censored for the other two comments. The young man with the question about oral sex simply had the entire thread shut down before it could get into to much detail from people responding to his post. I sent him an email telling him not to worry about it and to enjoy! :D

[templenamesarah]

There was a post last week from a young man who was preparing to get married and wanted to know about oral sex since he had heard that the church leaders condemed it but his wife to be wanted to be able to engage in it. The moderators shut that one down right away. Poor kid! :(



Aww, that poor kid! Last I heard, oral sex was expressly forbidden by the GAs.

http://www.i4m.com/think/sexuality/mormon_oral_sex.htm

"The First Presidency [including Gordon B. Hinckley] has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982.

Please also beware of unnatural sexual acts that are just as immoral, if not worse, than traditional fornication or adultery." - Elder Bruce C. Hafen, “Your Longing for Family Joy,” Ensign, Oct. 2003, page 28

[helemon]

Aww, that poor kid! Last I heard, oral sex was expressly forbidden by the GAs.

That's why this kid was sooo troubled. He was clearly a innocent & naive virgin mormon boy marrying his true love innocent virgin mormon girlfriend who happened to think oral sex was ok. What is a young man to do when he has to choose between the woman he loves and the leaders of the church?! :duh My bets are on the girlfriend. :D

[Born Free]

That's why this kid was sooo troubled. He was clearly a innocent & naive virgin mormon boy marrying his true love innocent virgin mormon girlfriend who happened to think oral sex was ok. What is a young man to do when he has to choose between the woman he loves and the leaders of the church?! :duh My bets are on the girlfriend. :D
And what message has he now received when no one has the spine, knowledge or confidence to sit still and let this issue be discussed in a healthy open manner.

How shaming and confusing is that?

Daryl

[helemon]

And what message has he now received when no one has the spine, knowledge or confidence to sit still and let this issue be discussed in a healthy open manner.

How shaming and confusing is that?

Daryl

Yep! I agree. That is why I sent him a personal email telling him not to worry and to enjoy his new wife and to be sure that the oral sex goes both ways. :D

[free thinker]

I was asked the above by a bishop once. I said no bishop, it works for me every time!!! :D


Just kidding!!! That never happened!! But I wish it did!! :cool:


Free Thinker

[Born Free]

Yep! I agree. That is why I sent him a personal email telling him not to worry and to enjoy his new wife and to be sure that the oral sex goes both ways. :D
helemon

""The First Presidency [including Gordon B. Hinckley] has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982

My mind kept coming back to this piece of classic idiocy after refreshing my mind on it.

Is that a classic piece of fear-based, ignorance-fuelled stupidity or what?

The basis of intelligence is - If you don't understand - Ask! So what does this wise GA have to contribute?

Lets apply that notion around a bit (theoretically):

My parents believed that you should not have sex on the Sabbath. Should I clarify?

In my family, it was customary for fathers to sexually abuse children. Should I ask if that is normal?

My step-mother makes unusual approaches to me when my Dad is absent. Should I ask?

My Home Teacher makes sexual advances, and says that is normal. It is a sign of his special love for me. Should I clarify?

My mother believes that she has a right to tell my wife and I when we should have children, and I think that strange. Should I ask if that is normal?

My wife believes that tongue-kissing is oral sex! Is that normal?

I hope the above gives just a hint of the extent of the stupidity and danger of such an approach.

Actually I remember when that piece of stupidity came out. I would have been 31 at the time, and like a lot of other baby-bommers, its impact on me was huge (not in kerbing oral sex, I might add). It was one of the landmarks in my journey to the exit door of Moism. About 6 years later I was out, and never looked back other than to wonder why I copped this garbage for so long.

Even a TBM brother said "When I want to get an opinion on what I do in my bedroom, I won't consult an octagenarian!" :cool:

Daryl

PS: Why do I feel so pi$$ed off by this particular piece of stupidity? Maybe it is one of the prominent examples of the Mo Sex Stupidity that was the source of so much pain for me.

[miss taken]

I agree with you Daryl. :D

I don't get the oral sex thing in the church. I know lots of active members who engage in it and will NOT go discussing what they do in the bedroom with anyone (in authority), I also know people who have gone to authorities and it has been bandied around the ward that they have a problem with oral sex, what a personal thing to be made public.

I read a book about an LDS female who married in the church and eventually left, she describes that the leaders used to have quite a fixation about it. Says more about them than her (methinks).

From what I remember the Songs of Solomon are pretty erotic, I wonder where this 'doctrine' actually came from???

Mary

[miss taken]

Hey Helemon, I am following some of the discussions over at FAIR quite closely. You are getting quite a few warnings, and have very quickly been labelled and stereotyped as one of them anti's.

Daniel Peterson seems pretty condescending to you.

I reckon, that if you don't watch yourself, you'll be kicked off in the next couple of days!!!

(Am following the 'mark of Cain' and the 'Joseph Smith children' one very closely)

Mary

[darkslider]

Can someone link me to these threads? I cannot seem to find them.

Thanks in advance.

[miss taken]

Was Cain's blood limited to Africa, Determining lineage prior to 1978?


http://www.fairboards.org/index.php?showtopic=8538

Wives of Joseph Smith

http://www.fairboards.org/index.php?showtopic=8549


Why Do Apostates Apostatize?

http://www.fairboards.org/index.php?showtopic=8382


Hope this works Darkslider..

Mary

[why me]

I was just reading the threads over at fair. It seems like a ping pong match. I am sure that people are listening to eachother but I don't seem much movement in either direction. People are pretty set in their belief systems over there. It takes a lot of energy to engage the fair people in converstion and discussion, if that is what I can call it. The non-moromons and the mormons are both locked into set patterns of ideas and non-understandings. But I have to admire the LDS crowd..they are sticking to their guns. They are unmoveable and unshakable. :) Helemon is doing a good job but he will burn himself out soon. I can't see him posting over a thousand posts (like some there) without some tranquilizers in the stomack... :)

[silverfox]

Aww, that poor kid! Last I heard, oral sex was expressly forbidden by the GAs.

http://www.i4m.com/think/sexuality/mormon_oral_sex.htm

"The First Presidency [including Gordon B. Hinckley] has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982.

Please also beware of unnatural sexual acts that are just as immoral, if not worse, than traditional fornication or adultery." - Elder Bruce C. Hafen, “Your Longing for Family Joy,” Ensign, Oct. 2003, page 28

So if a member asks about something it is supposedly "troubling" them? So now let's make members feel like they are troubled rather than curious. Good Gawd. This is disgusting.

I AM SO GRATEFUL I AM OUT!

So would any other position than missionary be considered "unnatural"? Ooops I asked so I must be troubled and therefore, it IS unnatural.

Give me a break.