I'm being punished by FAIR board

[helemon]

Well I guess I finally pissed off the moderators on the FAIR board. Check out the discussion on the Mythbusters thread. It even got to the point where the estemed Daniel Petersen swore he was leaving the FAIR boards for good!

Here's the joke that got me qued:
No, it's because Jared and his people were being followed by a bunch of anti's who were intent on convincing them of the foolishness of their beliefs. When the barges were being built, they built regular boats. God sent some super storms and swamped all the boats of the antis, but Jared and his people were in good shape. Once the antis were properly swamped, the weather cleared up and God gave them a pleasant ride the rest of the way.

smile.gif rolleyes.gif cool.gif tongue.gif

Naw the anti's get seasick so they followed the coastline and then crossed the Bering Land Bridge and set up all sorts of wicked civilizations in order to act as God's divine broom to sweep all the once righteous followers of Yaweh, along with all evidence of their civilizations, into the sea as soon as they ripened in inquity. laugh.gif


I was told This is not the place for mocking posts. This is not the place to post nothing but fluff and empty accusations.

I then posted a really good post asking about where the Jaredites stored all their drinking water for the trip which would naturally have been beer given the lack of ability to sanatize the water back then and the filth that was in the barges. I can't imagine where the brother of Jared found a years supply of beer for what had to have been at least 100 people plus herds and flocks.

Anyone remember the beerrun song?
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/snider-todd/beer-run-13882.html
B-double E double R U-N-beer run
B-double E double R U-N-beer run
all we need is a ten and five-er,
car and key and a sober driver,
B-double E double R U-N-beer run
a couple of frat guys from abilene
drove out all night to see Robert Earl Keen
at the K-pei swine and sworay dance-
they wore baseball caps and khaki pants-
they wanted cigarettes-so to save a little money-
they got one from this hippie who smelt kina funny
and-next thing they knew they were both pretty hungry-
and pretty thirsty tooo
B-double E double R U-N-beer run
B-double E double R U-N-beer ru-unn

all we need is a ten and five-er,
car and key and a sober driver,
B-double E double R U-N-beer run

found a store with a sign-said
there beer was coldest-so they sent
in Brad- cause he looked the oldest
-he got a case of beer and a candy bar
-walked over to where all them registers are
layed his fake id on the countertop
the clerk looked, he turned up, he looked he stopped.
he said "son, I'm not gonna call the cops, but im gonna
have to keep this card"-
the guys both took it pretty haard
B-double E double R U-N-beer run
B-double E double R U-N-beer ru-un

oh how happy we would be-
had we only brought a better fake id
B-double E double R U-N-beer run

they found this nother old hippie named
sleepie john-claimed to be the one from the Robert
Earl Keen song
so they gave him all their cash-he bought em some brew
-was a beautiful day out in Santa Cruz
they were feelin' so good it shoulda been a crime-
the crowd was cool and the band was prime
they made it back up front to their seats just in time
so they could sing with all their friends
they sang-"the rode goes on forever and the party
never eends"
B-double E double R U-N-beer run

all we need is a ten and a five-er car and
key and a sober driver
B-double E double R U-N-beer run

[miss taken]

Helemon!!! You had it coming!!! They are being pretty hard on Ava Maria at the moment, and I thought she was a lot more respectful and careful with her posts than you!!!!!

Thing is, they invite non-mormons onto the board, and then moan when they don't tow the line!!! Their fault, I feel.

Daniel Peterson is a bigotted, snooty intellectual. He gets my goat more than anyone ANYONE else on that board!!!!!

And what IS your name supposed to be. I thought it was a play on the words LDSaint..????

LDSATANT dont make sense!!!

I'll make a wager that they will chuck you off in the next few weeks!!!!

Having a mix does make for some really good discussions though, but things have been getting a bit heated over there of late!!!

Mary

[dogzilla]

Is there some rule against posting links to FAIR or FARMS boards or something, or are we all supposed to know what threads and boards you visit by osmosis? :rolleyes:

I believe I missed the memo about how, since we're all supposedly postmo here, we're all supposed to continue to conform and visit all of the exact same message boards.

Frankly, I'd think all y'all would get sick of the same topics all the time. The other boards I participate on have NOTHING to do with religion. One is about gardening and one is basically about everything else.

And Helamon, did you ask, "well then, where is the place for mocking posts, fluff and empty accusations, 'cause I ain't done?" :D

Perhaps I'll go in there and post a question... I thought "Jaredites" are people who think they can lose weight by eating only at Subway. Eat fresh! :p (Uuhhh, yeah. Maybe I should just stay out of there, on second thought.)

[miss taken]

Dogzilla, I think personally the reason that I go look over at the fairboards is because I wish, in all my years in the church, that there had been a place where people could have discussed frankly and openly all the questions that I had in my mind about things that were confusing me.

Often the Fairboards vindicate the reasons I left, but I am also open to hear both sides of the argument still now.

Otherwise I would see myself as bad as the LDS people who fail to see any other opinion but their own????

Here's the links! You should contribute!!! One guy mentioned a friend that had left and become Wicca, so either it was you, or you are not the only one!!!!!

http://www.fairboards.org/index.php?showforum=11

Mary

[helemon]

Helemon!!! You had it coming!!! They are being pretty hard on Ava Maria at the moment, and I thought she was a lot more respectful and careful with her posts than you!!!!!

Thing is, they invite non-mormons onto the board, and then moan when they don't tow the line!!! Their fault, I feel.

Daniel Peterson is a bigotted, snooty intellectual. He gets my goat more than anyone ANYONE else on that board!!!!!

And what IS your name supposed to be. I thought it was a play on the words LDSaint..????

LDSATANT dont make sense!!!

I'll make a wager that they will chuck you off in the next few weeks!!!!

Having a mix does make for some really good discussions though, but things have been getting a bit heated over there of late!!!

Mary


LDSain't is what it is supposed to be. Maybe I should have left out the 8. :D Of course the TBMs thought it stood for LDSatan. I guess I should take that as a compliment? It means I've struck a nerve with some of them? I am not trying to be rude but I also don't feel like I shouldn't challenge their responses and attitudes.

Yeah, they can dish is out but they can't take it. That's what I don't like. It is fine for the TBMs to mock and be snotty and rude but if someone is throwing their mockery back in their face they get upset.

When I first started reading the board I wondered why all the people who questioned the churches position were such milktoasts while the TBMs were allowed to be snotty, and rude. Now I know. The response that got me queued was in response to a TBM mocking the thread. So like I said it is ok for the TBMs to make fun of and deride the "antis" but not the other way around. Oh well, I guess I never really expected FAIR to be fair.

They have been letting my posts through lately as long as I behave and don't openly challenge their assumptions. :slap:

[helemon]

Frankly, I'd think all y'all would get sick of the same topics all the time. The other boards I participate on have NOTHING to do with religion. One is about gardening and one is basically about everything else.

And Helamon, did you ask, "well then, where is the place for mocking posts, fluff and empty accusations, 'cause I ain't done?" :D


I go there for two reasons:
1) I am suprised by the amount of people openly challenge the staunch believers. And I am suprised by the number of people who reject much of the doctrine but still stay in.
2) It is fun to hear them explain their positions.

There are some regular posters who are big name LDS FARM scholar types. Like Dan Petersen and Dan Vogel, and Brent Metcalfe, etc. It is interesting to read their responses to some of the questions especially when they are getting thoroughly called out on their evidence and assumptions.

I did ask the moderator why he didn't slap the other posters hands for his post. The thing is that there is a lot of fluff and empty accusations on FAIR that regularly get through. It is just that they tend to be from the TBMs and so the moderator is less sensitive about them. I rarely see TBMs censured. I have seen several people opposed to the church censured.

[elder_nomo]

I've dropped in on FAIR a couple of times just out of curiosity. This thread prompted me to have another look. I just started following the first thread I came across, which turned out to be quite interesting...

A former mormon was commenting on the "micro-temple" trend and lamenting the fact that there are no new big, impressive, architecturally important temples being built, like in the old days. He was very respectful. Most of the replies were equally polite. Interesting discussions about design and function. The benefits of many, smaller temples vs. fewer, grander ones.

But a couple of TBM posters were very rude. Angry, angry people, accusing this guy of being "anti" and belittling him for caring what a temple looks like on the outside, and on and on. I have to say, if I was a never-mo visitor, I would be very put off.
The moderator stepped in and asked one of these guys to tone it down. [ironically his tag is "YH8", yet he seems to be the most hateful person around].

Hey, Helemon, I think you were in on that thread too.

[helemon]

Hey, Helemon, I think you were in on that thread too.

Yep. It is interesting how testy the TBMs can be over there. Anything that could in anyway be perceived as challenging or questioning how the church does things is intantly pounced upon by the "defenders of the faith." I agree they could be pushing more people away from and out of the faith by being so critical of people having a different opinion than they do.

[free thinker]

I have found it strange that TBM folk want it both ways.

1 They want to proclaim that the LDS church is the only true and living church on the face of the earth, with which the Lord is well pleased.

2 They don't want to be challenged for stating the above.

Doesn't make sense to me!!

Free Thinker

[why me]

All forums have rules that must be abided to, except us of course ;) . Helemon is perhaps stepping over the line and he has been warned. What would silverfox, free thinker, and jeff do if we had an opposite character posting on our threads? I cannot criticise fair...those guys put up with alot...and defend themselves quite well. They stick to the meaning of the forum...without it all heck would break loose and complete anarchy would ensue over there. How would free thinker moderate if we were as large as fair? Both free thinker and silverfox would be on tranquilizers or pain killers and have this expression on their poor faces: :Crazy:

[helemon]

All forums have rules that must be abided to, except us of course ;) . Helemon is perhaps stepping over the line and he has been warned. What would silverfox, free thinker, and jeff do if we had an opposite character posting on our threads? I cannot criticise fair...those guys put up with alot...and defend themselves quite well. They stick to the meaning of the forum...without it all heck would break loose and complete anarchy would ensue over there. How would free thinker moderate if we were as large as fair? Both free thinker and silverfox would be on tranquilizers or pain killers and have this expression on their poor faces: :Crazy:

I can. From the time I have spent over there it seems like the TBMs get a way with a lot of rudeness. My censures have come on posts where the TBMs were being seriously pounded. Not by insults from me but from information challenging their point of view. I don't think my joke that got me booted was terribly rude.
After all even the FARMS believe some Native Americans came from Asia and it is a long tradition of Mormonism that God uses "wicked" civilizations to punish the chosen. Since the BoM says God will sweep the unrighteous off the continent and since the FAIR people believe this only applied to the Israelites God brought here my little joke is in line with their beliefs. It's not my fault that they found their position so offensive. Really I think that I am being censured because I hit to many nerves not through rudeness but exposing some major holes in their story that they didn't have a ready answer for and they wanted to shut the thread down.