Art of Desecration

[darkslider]

PLEASE NOTE - THIS SITE IS NOT SUPPORTED BY POSTMORMON.ORG. ORDER AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!

Hello Post-Mos!

I included you all in a "pre-opening" of our website, and now. . . You are cordially invited to our grand opening! After a few minor set-backs, Art of Desecration is now up and running!

WARNING - THE FOLLOWING LINK CONTAINS EXPLICIT LANGUAGE. SOME MIGHT FIND IT OFFENSIVE. OR AS FREE THINKER HAS STATED - OTHERS MIGHT LAUGH THEIR ASS OFF!

ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK -

Disclaimer - www.postmormon.org does not necessarily endorse any links that might be posted on this forum.

http://www.artofdesecration.com

My associates and I have really put a lot of work into this project. Enjoy!

-Bryan Inks
bryan@artofdesecration.com

[aether]

Whoo! Congratulations. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this site.

[free thinker]

You are a dark one my man!!


Does that cute little lady you just married know what she got into?? :D


free thinker

[starrynight]

you know i am not the type of person that would normally judge anybody (no religous preference), but what you guys are saying and your website:
http://www.artofdesecration.com/
is just pure hatered and says a lot about the class of certain people on here. i am not impressed. i dont care if you like mormans or not you dont need to go around telling everyone they are going to hell because they dont do exactly what YOU want or say what YOU want. that is childish and very rude and direspectful. you might wanna go back and read the rules that you agreed to abide by when posting on this forum it says:

"FORUM PARTICIPATION POLICY: We encourage people to explore the limits of their personal belief, and to feel free to express that belief as they engage in mutually supportive dialogue with other members of the forum. However, opinions regarding sensitive issues such as religious preference, sexual orientation, political issues, etc. should always be couched as simply that, personal opinions, rather than as matters of fact. The line has been crossed when someone ceases saying, "This is what I believe," and begins saying, "This is what YOU should believe."

man, what low class. dont bash somebody elses beleifs, thoughts, and actions, because when you look at yourself, what you did wasn't any better.
grow up and get back to real life. you are gonna have people that you disagree with that you meet everyday. i dont think you would want them doing to you, what you are litterally doing to them. your day will come, and when it does i am glad i wont be there to watch.
so not cool......

[starrynight]

im sorry your life sucks and you feel the need to take everyone down (depressed) with you, but seriously you dont need to hurt others in the process just to fulfill your own needs. but seriously, the rest of the world doesn't want to listen to the hate directed at people through your site you are trying to promote. trust me we have enough in our own life to deal with, just like i am sure you do.

common sense people.....

[peter_mary]

Dark,

I expect this is just the first of a lot of hate mail you'll likely receive. Oh well. We frequently got a lot of hate mail on the Sugar Beet, too, from people who didn't "get it." I suppose there are lots of ways to offend, and we each tolerate different kinds of things. If you had a T-shirt of Calvin peeing on Osama bin Laden, I'm guessing only the Islamists would be pissed, while others would be saying to themselves, "Hell, yeah!" The Hindus might be pretty upset a shirt that simply says, "Beef...it's what's for dinner." Political correctness doesn't leave a lot of latitude for fun...

I look forward to perusing the hate mail on your site periodically...it will be good to know that other people receive the anonymous ire of others, too! :cool:

Peter_Mary

[silverfox]

you know i am not the type of person that would normally judge anybody (no religous preference), but what you guys are saying and your website:
http://www.artofdesecration.com/
is just pure hatered and says a lot about the class of certain people on here. i am not impressed. i dont care if you like mormans or not you dont need to go around telling everyone they are going to hell because they dont do exactly what YOU want or say what YOU want. that is childish and very rude and direspectful. you might wanna go back and read the rules that you agreed to abide by when posting on this forum it says:

"FORUM PARTICIPATION POLICY: We encourage people to explore the limits of their personal belief, and to feel free to express that belief as they engage in mutually supportive dialogue with other members of the forum. However, opinions regarding sensitive issues such as religious preference, sexual orientation, political issues, etc. should always be couched as simply that, personal opinions, rather than as matters of fact. The line has been crossed when someone ceases saying, "This is what I believe," and begins saying, "This is what YOU should believe."

man, what low class. dont bash somebody elses beleifs, thoughts, and actions, because when you look at yourself, what you did wasn't any better.
grow up and get back to real life. you are gonna have people that you disagree with that you meet everyday. i dont think you would want them doing to you, what you are litterally doing to them. your day will come, and when it does i am glad i wont be there to watch.
so not cool......

I am trying hard to see where the forum policy has been violated. The beliefs are not being shoved down anyone's throat. In fact, I am sure most members here do not agree with most of the sayings provided via T-shirts, etc. But Darkslider is not forcing those opinions on us. He is simply stating, hey, here is some merchandise that is available if you agree with it.

[silverfox]

i dont care if you like mormans or not you dont need to go around telling everyone they are going to hell because they dont do exactly what YOU want or say what YOU want. that is childish and very rude and direspectful.


Please show an example where on this forum anyone here has stated that someone is going to hell if they don't believe like them.

[starrynight]

I expect this is just the first of a lot of hate mail you'll likely receive. Oh well. We frequently got a lot of hate mail on the Sugar Beet, too, from people who didn't "get it."

first: this was not hate mail, just expression of opinion based on the fact that not everybody is the same. just because is morman, catholic, jewish, christian, whatever, doesn't mean they are bad
Edited by Silverfox. Members, please go to the link to review quotes taken from the site and posted by starrynight. The selected quotes were against policy to post them on the forum.
that says a lot about something...
second: i do understand the whole post morman thing. did i say what religion i was "(no religous preference)" at least thats what i thought i said.
third: everything looks different in the eyes of the beholder, it may not look like someone is pushing it on to you guys, but you are around it so much, how would you now. being someone seeing the site for the first time, it sure comes across as if you are.
fourth: take it for what its worth, instead of trying to drive people away from the morman church a know a few peopl who went back to church after visting your site. come back down out of space and get back in the real world. Im out. ahve fun doing whatever "makes you feel good inside" even if it is hurting others. bye

quotes taken from: http://www.artofdesecration.com/

[peter_mary]

fourth: take it for what its worth, instead of trying to drive people away from the morman church a know a few peopl who went back to church after visting your site.

If this were true, and who knows--I suppose anything's possible--I would be fascinated to hear their story. Would it be like having wandered through the forest, thinking you've left the city behind forever, and suddenly finding yourself facing Mount Doom, and running in terror back to the safety of the city? "I'll take my chances with the devils I know rather than the devils I don't know," kind of thinking?

Truly, if this is the case, I would LOVE to hear more. People's stories are always fascinating, particularly when they take interesting turns such as starrynight suggests.

Peter_Mary

[flotsam]

I'm very interested in how people communicate with each other, especially nonverbal communication. So Darkslider's web site (artofdesacration.com) interested me in that way.

My Sugar Beet experience taught me that there's no way to please everyone, you'll always either be too conservative or too over the top for someone. There's nothing you can do about that.

HOWEVER, there is a lot you can do about presenting yourself in such a way that you invite conversation, rather than stave it off.

I had an extended disucssion with someone about the purpose of the Sugar Beet site. I swore up and down that I was just trying to get people to think in a slightly different way, and then talk to me about it. That's really all I want out of my writing - a response. (Which is why publishing is always so exhilerating at first, and anti-climactic later on - hardly anyone writes back.)

So looking at Darkslider's t-shirts, I thought to myself, "Considering the context he is in (the heart of Mormonland) do I think he is skillfully inviting conversation? Or is he just trying to get his own point across?"

My limited perspective would say the second one. I mean, he's taken THE most sacred things out of Mormonism and put them into a mocking context. The people who might be interested in conversing with him would have to get over feeling viscerally attacked before approaching him, as far as I can see.

Even I felt attacked. Well, I didn't feel attacked. I felt like someone was yelling at me through a megaphone. And that he wasn't going to stop. I did not feel invited into a conversation.

Now, there will be some people who will feel invited right in by Darkslider's t-shirts. But they will be quite a minority of the people around Darkslider, and they will probably be people who already know him, and who share his beliefs.

I prefer to find ways to talk with people who have different beliefs than I do. I find it to be more mind expanding.

But you know. I really know little about Darkslider. I'd be very interested to hear about the context he created these shirts in and what he's trying to elicit. I may be missing something here.

[keene maverick]

Hello everyone!

I am the artist for ArtOfDesecration.com, and I also designed the site, and did most of the writing.

Honestly, as this site is partly an experiment in publicity and marketing, I would love as much detailed feedback as possible. I understand most people have taken the view that it's too over-the-top, although others do think of it as simply funny. If you could be so kind as to tell me what parts were over-the-top, and which parts really stood out, that would be wonderful. Any fresh ideas, and even hate mail, is incredibly appreciated.

Please mail to webmaster@artofdesecration.com any ideas, feedback, or suggestions that you may have. I will also be checking up on this thread quite frequently.

Thank you all. Hug's n' kisses.

Keene Maverick

[miss taken]

Hello everyone!

I am the artist for ArtOfDesecration.com, and I also designed the site, and did most of the writing.

Honestly, as this site is partly an experiment in publicity and marketing, I would love as much detailed feedback as possible. I understand most people have taken the view that it's too over-the-top, although others do think of it as simply funny. If you could be so kind as to tell me what parts were over-the-top, and which parts really stood out, that would be wonderful. Any fresh ideas, and even hate mail, is incredibly appreciated.

Please mail to webmaster@artofdesecration.com any ideas, feedback, or suggestions that you may have. I will also be checking up on this thread quite frequently.

Thank you all. Hug's n' kisses.

Keene Maverick

Hi Keene, I'll post my reply here, since I don't want you putting me on the response board on your site. Is that okay.????

The one that says Jesus %%%% hates you, and where you refer to it on the front page is where I thought you went too far. Personally I think that will scream at people and they wont bother with the others, which is a pity because some of them are okay. WTF is kinda funny. I don't get the Jesus is risen one??? Is he doing a rap or something. The specific LDS stuff doesn't bother me, but I think active LDS wouldn't like it.

Hope this helps, but like Daryl, I feel a little uncomfortable with the post-mormon forum being used to advertise the stuff. But its up to the mods to sort that aspect out.

You also assume that anyone who doesn't like it is self-righteous, and in that way you, in my opinion, are exhibiting an inverted form of self-righteousness yourself? Does that make sense?

Hope this helps, just one persons humble opinion.

Mary

[darkslider]

Hi Keene, I'll post my reply here, since I don't want you putting me on the response board on your site. Is that okay.????

The one that says Jesus %%%% hates you, and where you refer to it on the front page is where I thought you went too far. Personally I think that will scream at people and they wont bother with the others, which is a pity because some of them are okay. WTF is kinda funny. I don't get the Jesus is risen one??? Is he doing a rap or something. The specific LDS stuff doesn't bother me, but I think active LDS wouldn't like it.


Mary


Thanks for the feedback. Keene is sitting less than three feet away, and we were just talking about your post.

The Jesus )#$%& Hates You is kind of in reference to one of our other domains. In the pursuit of this project, we purchased quite a few domain names. BuyBlasphemy.com, JesusF***HatesYou.com, ArtOfDesecration.com, ect.

That shirt is one that we have been considering on taking down for a few days now.

As for the "He is Risen" shirt. . . your feedback is most helpful. Keene, in my opinion, did a fantastic job of drawing the Christ as a Zombie. Apparently, though, that doesn't come across so well. Shirt being edited as we speak. :)

What would you say about the colors of the site? We were just talking about how the black and red might contribute to the "hateful" image that many seem to pick up. Or, did the colors not affect your view?

[keene maverick]

...The one that says Jesus %%%% hates you, and where you refer to it on the front page is where I thought you went too far. ... WTF is kinda funny. I don't get the Jesus is risen one??? Is he doing a rap or something. ...

You also assume that anyone who doesn't like it is self-righteous, and in that way you, in my opinion, are exhibiting an inverted form of self-righteousness yourself? Does that make sense?...

Thank you very much for your input. The "Jesus f-ing hates you" shirt had to do more with search engines than anything else. That phrase is searched for about 30,000 times a day on Google, with no responses at all. Because of this, we purchased jesusf--kinghatesyou.com as well as artofdesecration. I was thinking a fun little picture of the christ flipping you off would work well with that phrase, what do you think?

As far as "He is Risen," It's supposed to be a zombie jesus. A play on the concept of ressurrection. I'm currently editing the picture to portray that concept better.

As far as the self-righteous thing... I'd like to get more opinions on that. I believe you got that from the "hate mail" page... What do others think? Does that text need re-writing?

Anyway, thank you very much, Mary, for your feedback. It is greatly appreciated.

Keene Maverick

[miss taken]

Thank you very much for your input. The "Jesus f-ing hates you" shirt had to do more with search engines than anything else. That phrase is searched for about 30,000 times a day on Google, with no responses at all. Because of this, we purchased jesusf--kinghatesyou.com as well as artofdesecration. I was thinking a fun little picture of the christ flipping you off would work well with that phrase, what do you think?

As far as "He is Risen," It's supposed to be a zombie jesus. A play on the concept of ressurrection. I'm currently editing the picture to portray that concept better.

As far as the self-righteous thing... I'd like to get more opinions on that. I believe you got that from the "hate mail" page... What do others think? Does that text need re-writing?

Anyway, thank you very much, Mary, for your feedback. It is greatly appreciated.

Keene Maverick

~AAArgh Keene I can't believe that people google that phrase so often. I guess there must be a deep seated reason that maybe needs to be addressed. I think the reasons people google that phraze should be researched. Are they desperate, depressed and looking for answers, angry at their portrayal of God. If they are googling it then they aren't doing it for publicity. I find that very interesting.. I don't know if your site will address their needs or depress them further....

I didn't like the red and black, I don't like the design for the Mormon web ring either, it looks too gloom and doomy for me. I'd prefer pinks and yellows!!!! (LOL)

Take care
Mary

[dogzilla]

Keene and Dark:

Based on my extremely limited experience in web publishing, I'd suggest you might re-think the colors. Red on black is very difficult on the eyes and some of the more conservative viewers may see "satanic" overtones in the color choices. And I think we'd all agree: there's a mighty big difference between Satanic and just anti-mormon or anti-Christian. I'm sending you guys a PM on that one.

That said, I love the "Jesus F*&$# Hates You" shirt, but I'd never have the guts to wear it. I live in the Bible belt and would probably find a cross burning on my front lawn the next morning after wearing it. That said, I'm considering purchasing the cthulu shirt... that one just makes me giggle and wouldn't be outright offensive to Christians or Muslims who happen to see me wearing it.

I like shirts that make people think, or are satirical or ironic. I understand that many many people can't understand the concepts of context or satire or irony. Those people are going to view your site as offensive, satanic, whatever. I don't think you should be condescending to those people, and I think you are on the hate mail page. I think just removing the words "you self-righteous Christians" would sort of neutralize that statement. Either remove "self-righteous" or "Christians" so that your attack is much more generalized and not simply baiting people to write you.

[silverfox]

I just want to say that I LOVE the direction this thread has taken.

Keene and Darkslider - you have very good business sense to solicit feedback to improve your site. Impressive.

Now for my opinion - I don't like the dark colors. For such a site that is supposed to be humorous I would like to see bright happy colors.

Since I've been blogging I have been SHOCKED - SHOCKED I tell you - as to what people google. I had the words "f**k and mother in one of my blogs - NOT related to each other in context. I can't tell you how many hits I got from people searching "f**k your mother". (I have statcounter which allows one to see the traffic to their site and how it is found) I am sure they were sorely disappointed to find a blog about a frustrated mother dealing with her son's schizophrenic illness.

I get all kinds of sick searches coming my way only because I have words in my blog that I would never put together like these people do.

Thanks again for all the feedback....continue on.

[keene maverick]

Alright everyone, take another look.

I've made a number of changes based off the feedback I've received, I'd like a little more input. I think there's a lot of room for improvment, but I'd like to get a direction in mind.

Thanks, friends!

Keene Maverick

[helemon]

im sorry your life sucks and you feel the need to take everyone down (depressed) with you, but seriously you dont need to hurt others in the process just to fulfill your own needs. but seriously, the rest of the world doesn't want to listen to the hate directed at people through your site you are trying to promote. trust me we have enough in our own life to deal with, just like i am sure you do.

common sense people.....

I think that you may be forgetting that gays may find the actions of the church and christian groups in general to be very hateful. Christian groups put out a lot of hate toward people who don't share their beliefs so you shouldn't be totally shocked to see some of that anger and hatred reflected back at them. :duh

[helemon]

That said, I love the "Jesus F*&$# Hates You" shirt, but I'd never have the guts to wear it. I live in the Bible belt and would probably find a cross burning on my front lawn the next morning after wearing it.

Wouldn't that just be the height of irony to have a cross burned on your lawn for wearing that T-Shirt!!! :duh

I think that various Christian preachers make it very clear that Jesus does hate certain groups and their lifestyle. The history of the Christian relgion is definitely not a record of all peace, love and happiness.

My problem with that T-shirt is that the people that Christian preachers routinely attack will be offended by it thinking it is directed at them, when Keene may have intended it to be directed at the "Christians" who act in very UN-Christian manner.

[helemon]

Alright everyone, take another look.

I've made a number of changes based off the feedback I've received, I'd like a little more input. I think there's a lot of room for improvment, but I'd like to get a direction in mind.

Thanks, friends!

Keene Maverick

Blech! :Puking The new colors do not seem blasphemous. Keene you need to decide what is the feel you want this site to convey. The 'friendlier' color scheme does not fit with the merchandise. Who is the market you are trying to target? I doubt the people on this list are necessarily your target audience. Dark said that these were developped to meet a need he had heard expressed. Ask yourself is it meeting that groups need? Does it match with their sensibilities?

You are selling extremely edgy merchandise. If that is indeed what you want to sell, then the rest of the website should reflect that same edgieness.

[silverfox]

Alright everyone, take another look.

I've made a number of changes based off the feedback I've received, I'd like a little more input. I think there's a lot of room for improvment, but I'd like to get a direction in mind.

Thanks, friends!

Keene Maverick

I like the colors because I can read the words much better. The red on black was just too hard on these ol' eyes.

Oh and the aqua on the white background when it provides the shipping rates - very very hard to see. (for me anyway)

If you feel you must go back to darker colors please stay away from red on black or vice versa - way too hard to read and navigate.

[dogzilla]

Wouldn't that just be the height of irony to have a cross burned on your lawn for wearing that T-Shirt!!! :duh

<snip>

LOL. Well, yes, but irony, see, is one of those higher-order thinking skills that you don't see so much among the cross-burning set. ;)

[dogzilla]

Blech! :Puking The new colors do not seem blasphemous. Keene you need to decide what is the feel you want this site to convey. The 'friendlier' color scheme does not fit with the merchandise. Who is the market you are trying to target? I doubt the people on this list are necessarily your target audience. Dark said that these were developped to meet a need he had heard expressed. Ask yourself is it meeting that groups need? Does it match with their sensibilities?

You are selling extremely edgy merchandise. If that is indeed what you want to sell, then the rest of the website should reflect that same edgieness.

I totally disagree with this. The new colors are easier on the eyes. I think the market is clearly identified by the product line: people who enjoy blasphemy. :rolleyes:
I think the easter-like color scheme brings into sharp contrast the content of the slogans and t-shirts and therefore, does indeed reflect the edgy-ness Keene and Dark are going for.

Additional feedback on the site: I don't like the little survey on the home page. Not very funny. You could get funnier with that. (You need Peep Stone writers on your staff! ;) ahem)

I'd also suggest more interactivity to give people who do come to the site something to do. Once I chuckle at your FAQs (note: no apostrophe there!), think about ordering an overpriced t-shirt to piss off my neighbors and wear to concerts... then I'm left with nothing. There's no hate mail posted yet. You also say I can get a free t-shirt if I give you a good slogan and you all use it. Why don't you put up the slogans that people submit and let other viewers rate them (see the Darwin Awards web site)?

I think I'm going to put my Peep Stone skills to good use today and see what I can come up with to win that free Cthulu t-shirt... Hee hee...

[keene maverick]

One thing I learned throughout all this...

CSS is a BITCH!

I've got a third, newer site design up. I think this one mixes in both ideas. It's softer, so as not to offend instantly, but still portrays the edge. It also seems a little more high-quality and professional.... Less ameture.

I really enjoy the new top of the page. I think it looks kinda like Mystery Science Theater. ^^

The survey is going to be missing for a while. It wasn't really something I wanted to keep anyway. I was just trying to test out my PHP integration skillz.

Although, in the next couple days, we will have several new features. Look for News updates, several new items including stickers and window decals, new surveys, trivia, etc. These are all works I have in progress and hope to get up ASAP.

Sadly, I'm only one man. I have the skills, but the time, and the marketing expertise I have not.

Thanks for all the feedback guys and gals. You're a huge help ^^;

Keene Maverick

P.S. Keep your eye open for Easter Eggs as well. I can't help but throw it a random joke here and there ;)

[bigeddy]

People want to be powerful. Personally, I think becoming powerful is part of our human destiny. So it always cracks me up how easily people give away their power and then are pissed off that they have none or that someone has power over them.

This is not hard stuff!! I site like this brings out the childishness in people who would love to feel that they are wise. I like to watch how people manifest their offense taking and to see what it is that offends them.

HEY, ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE OFFENDED BY ARTOFDESECRATION.COM, DO YOU REALIZE YOU ARE GIVING THEM YOUR POWER. WISE THE HELL UP!!

I can just see some poor dumb fundy sitting at his computer just a fumin away and allowing Dark and the troops to take all his power from him; the power to direct and be in charge of his own life. What a hoot. Then he is pissed that he has no power--the very power he gave away. This site is wonderful in that it can help people learn -- -- if they want to learn.

Suggestion; perhaps there is someway to make the power taking even more obvious and more fun.

Ed

[free thinker]

This is not hard stuff!! I site like this brings out the childishness in people who would love to feel that they are wise. I like to watch how people manifest their offense taking and to see what it is that offends them.

I agree with Eddy!

Also one other thought. I was watching Larry King interview an evangelical minister the other night. This is one of those guys who has a huge following, and a very successful and LUCRATIVE ministry. Frankly these kinda guys scare me a little.( Not giving my power to them big eddy.) I do have some fear of them though, as I think this evangelical thing can get out of hand if not watched closely. Vis a vis abusing power etc.

IMHO, Dark and Keene have created a web site that is a response to the burgeoning growth of evengelical christianity. It is a check, so to speak, on what some may see as runaway influence. For this reason I am ok with it. I always like to see an influential tide of popularity checked in some way. Makes me think our system of government is working. Free speech etc.

This is a great American tradition as well as a right. The British were very offended after they left Boston, as they looked back and saw the Continental Flag flying. The year, 1776!!!!

free thinker

[j_anderson]

My reaction was more negative. I guess I don't see the value in such a mocking tone. I have no problem with T-shirts and other gear advertising the silliness of Mormonism or even Christianity, but the offerings struck me as tasteless.

I still remember a T-shirt that caught my attention from when I was in high school. It read something to the effect of "Club Mormon: 10% and you're in." Had a Moroni statue playing jazz or something to that effect. Since then I've seen a lot of well-done satirical messages that challenge religion or Mormonism. Good satire is difficult to write and very effective, but to me this site crosses the line to a more autistic, "punk" feel.

The audience that would appreciate this kind of in-your-face disdain for other's traditions has got to be very small and not a group I identify with. Life is too short to spend it tearing others down.

[helemon]

My reaction was more negative. I guess I don't see the value in such a mocking tone.

The audience that would appreciate this kind of in-your-face disdain for other's traditions has got to be very small and not a group I identify with. Life is too short to spend it tearing others down.

I think the question that Keene and Dark need to ask themselves is what feeling do they want the site to create. If they wanted to create a page that makes people feel uncomfortable an in your face then they succeeded with the old design. I take an art approach to web pages. It is not a question of does it follow the rules or does it look pretty, but did it evoke the emotion and experience the designer intended.

The content that Dark and Keene are trying to sell are designed to be insulting and evoke strong emotions. It seems clear from the responses on this thread that their website has a similar effect. I think this could be coming from their feelings of anger toward the church still being somewhat new and raw. I think many of us have been at that point. The question for Keene and Dark is to ask themselves what type of energy do they want to put out into the world.

I agree with Anderson that it is possible to create less offensive satirical T-Shirts that will probably appeal to a larger audience. I think Keene and Dark's shirts will likely evolve to more sophisticated designs and satire over time.

[why me]

I think that the problem with the site is that people will find it tasteless and insensitive and it will all play into the hands of TBMs and other groups that feel persecuted. Someone mentioned something about satire and I think that humor is good as a stress releaser. Of course I need to admire keene and darkslider for being mavericks out there and having a willingness to shock people. I could never do it because it wouldn't fit my personality...and yes, both keene and darkslider are requesting feedback and this shows a wonderful side to their character. :)

[keene maverick]

One thing I completely agree with is that Good Satire is really fsking hard to create.

Which is one reason why I think a lot of the reaction is negative right now. Before this site, my entire satire experience involved a thread comparing Appendectomies to Abortions. That satire was also almost too offensive to handle as well.

I've got a lot more ideas for some new shirts that will hopefully bring a balance from the offensive-hate down a little to offensive-satire.

[maverick]

Thank you very much for your input. The "Jesus f-ing hates you" shirt had to do more with search engines than anything else. That phrase is searched for about 30,000 times a day on Google, with no responses at all. Because of this, we purchased jesusf--kinghatesyou.com as well as artofdesecration. I was thinking a fun little picture of the christ flipping you off would work well with that phrase, what do you think?

As far as "He is Risen," It's supposed to be a zombie jesus. A play on the concept of ressurrection. I'm currently editing the picture to portray that concept better.

As far as the self-righteous thing... I'd like to get more opinions on that. I believe you got that from the "hate mail" page... What do others think? Does that text need re-writing?

Anyway, thank you very much, Mary, for your feedback. It is greatly appreciated.

Keene Maverick

Feedback is great. . . mmmmm, . . . feedback.

Hi! I'm Mav! #1 of the three stooges here. Just about everyone at the post-mo-social has been bugging me to get onto this "hot and happening" place so here I am! Enjoy!

Awesome. . . Yes. . . .Anyways. . . . We love hearing your input on our site and ideas, we're still fine tuning and getting a few more sites up. We'll keep you all updated. . . till then . . .

Smile!

-Mav

"We rest here while we can, but we hear the ocean calling in our dreams,
And we know by the morning, the wind will fill our sails to test the seams.
The calm is on the water and part of us would linger by the shore.
For ships are safe in harbor, but that's not what ships are for."

[cactus jack]

I think starrynight has a mmore significant problem than just Dark's website.

First off, IF she has a problem with the artofdesecration site, don't go to it!!!!!!
Second, Dark's site is separate from postmormon.org.
Third SHE is the one bringing the offensive statements here.

I have read this thread several times over to make sure I got the gist of it. And the facts remain the same- starrynight, if anyone, is the offender. DarkSlider posted nothing offensive here.

I know some of you may disagree. If so, oh well.