what is hell

[hitchiker]

what is hell ?

hell is being bound to something which is not really you , it could be a church , it could be a marriage , it could be a sickness , it could be a type of sexuality which you hate but can,t resist , it can be many things but the formula is always the same , something is holding you into something you hate , fear , lust , guilt , oppression is holding you , creating a hell .

what is damnation ? damnation is when your mind is bound and can no longer free itself to understand knew concepts , ideas and emotions that go with those concepts , damnation is when the mind has been taken over by a force that no longer allows the mind to be a free agent to itself , a man can never know god when his mind is in a bound state , concepts must develop as they are exsperienced emotionly ,

these topics have been discussed by are weekly exmo group , we are working on the idea that god can be exsperienced thru understanding the power of nature and how it exspresses itself in us , also how different plants and herbs are gateways to understanding what god is , and how he works , or she works for that matter.
further dicussion wanted on how to free yourself from a hell , notice i said a hell , because there are many different types ,. what is your hell , lets talk spirit to spirit

[why me]

what is hell ?

hell is being bound to something which is not really you , it could be a church , it could be a marriage , it could be a sickness , it could be a type of sexuality which you hate but can,t resist , it can be many things but the formula is always the same , something is holding you into something you hate , fear , lust , guilt , oppression is holding you , creating a hell .

what is damnation ? damnation is when your mind is bound and can no longer free itself to understand knew concepts , ideas and emotions that go with those concepts , damnation is when the mind has been taken over by a force that no longer allows the mind to be a free agent to itself , a man can never know god when his mind is in a bound state , concepts must develop as they are exsperienced emotionly ,

these topics have been discussed by are weekly exmo group , we are working on the idea that god can be exsperienced thru understanding the power of nature and how it exspresses itself in us , also how different plants and herbs are gateways to understanding what god is , and how he works , or she works for that matter.
further dicussion wanted on how to free yourself from a hell , notice i said a hell , because there are many different types ,. what is your hell , lets talk spirit to spirit
Hell is all around me...it is inside people and in the environment that I live in. I see hell everyday inside the soul of the human being. But I can also see the celestial in the same locations as hell. But hell is out there waiting to draw all into it if given a chance. Stick to beauty and stick to life in all its glory...remember love, charity and compassion....and help those in hell...to overcome their personal hell... so hell will be farther away from the personal (my, your, his, her) human spirit and soul that surrounds the human's (my, your his, her) own personal life.

[cactus jack]

Heh heh heh! Hitchhiker's never been married before, I see! :duh :D

[Born Free]

Anyone read this classic? The sort of humour that is somewhat rare in MoLand!

Daryl

"Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Support your answer with a proof."

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So, we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.

As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell.

Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and all souls go to Hell.

With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand as souls are added. This gives two possibilities.

#1 If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

#2 Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Ms. Therese Banyan during my Freshman year, "That it will be a cold night in Hell before I sleep with you," and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then #2 cannot be true, and so Hell is exothermic.

The student got the only A.

[hitchiker]

Hell is all around me...it is inside people and in the environment that I live in. I see hell everyday inside the soul of the human being. But I can also see the celestial in the same locations as hell. But hell is out there waiting to draw all into it if given a chance. Stick to beauty and stick to life in all its glory...remember love, charity and compassion....and help those in hell...to overcome their personal hell... so hell will be farther away from the personal (my, your, his, her) human spirit and soul that surrounds the human's (my, your his, her) own personal life.i know that hell is all around you cause you live in new york , come to sunny nz , hell is a little smaller here , but still very hot , yes thats true hell and the celestial live side by side , thats what makes life so interesting , its the angel in you and the devil in me , beauty is in the eye of the beholder , so is evil , its all in the looking , or is it the thinking about the looking , or perhaps the dreaming of the looking or perhaps its none of those things but the denial of whats real inside of you

[hitchiker]

Anyone read this classic? The sort of humour that is somewhat rare in MoLand!

Daryl

"Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Support your answer with a proof."

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So, we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.

As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell.

Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and all souls go to Hell.

With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand as souls are added. This gives two possibilities.

#1 If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

#2 Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Ms. Therese Banyan during my Freshman year, "That it will be a cold night in Hell before I sleep with you," and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then #2 cannot be true, and so Hell is exothermic.

The student got the only A.i think you quote is stating that its impossible for a place like hell to exist , but hell does exist , we see it every day , the mistake is believing that its something that begins with death , actually its here all the time in variuos forms , hence many hells , it seems to me wherever there is an existence , there is a hell and a heaven to go with it , like changing states of sychosis , there apendages to life rather than destinys , has anybody a personal hell which they would like to tell me about , please don,t tell me your in love with sarah and she told you to piss off , we have to get a bit deeper than that , but having gotten rid off a personal hell lately , i feel upbeat and qualified to deliver your soul to heavenly bliss

[hitchiker]

Heh heh heh! Hitchhiker's never been married before, I see! :duh :DHitchiker has been married for soooooooooo long he has barnicles growing on the end of his nose

[helemon]

Hitchiker has been married for soooooooooo long he has barnicles growing on the end of his nose

What a strange STD. :eek: Is your wife a mermaid? :D

[peter_mary]

For what it's worth, I don't know "hell." When I abandoned the idea of "evil" and the "author of evil," I also abandoned the idea of "hell."

As I've read Hell described on this thread, all I REALLY hear is a discussion of the ebb and flow of life. It seems to me to be merely an over-personalized interpretation of life events rather than a state of hell. See, hell suggests, to me at least, that an evil state is imposed on a person. "Go to Hell," or "living in hell." But really, I tend to wonder if hell isn't actually more of a choice and a state of mind, rather than an imposition of the universe?

As I de-personalize unfortunate events in my life and the world around me, I can simply watch the dynamic flow of life unfolding on planet earth. It's a systems phenomenon, rich and complex. If I personalize it, sure, I can interpret those things as evil, but if I keep from personalizing it, I can see it's just life happening. It's neither good or evil, it simply is. So it seems to me that hell is strictly a personal problem, and one which the participant can choose to suffer from or not.

Frankly, I guess I don't know what the hell you all are talking about...

Peter_Mary

[why me]

For what it's worth, I don't know "hell." When I abandoned the idea of "evil" and the "author of evil," I also abandoned the idea of "hell."

As I've read Hell described on this thread, all I REALLY hear is a discussion of the ebb and flow of life. It seems to me to be merely an over-personalized interpretation of life events rather than a state of hell. See, hell suggests, to me at least, that an evil state is imposed on a person. "Go to Hell," or "living in hell." But really, I tend to wonder if hell isn't actually more of a choice and a state of mind, rather than an imposition of the universe?

As I de-personalize unfortunate events in my life and the world around me, I can simply watch the dynamic flow of life unfolding on planet earth. It's a systems phenomenon, rich and complex. If I personalize it, sure, I can interpret those things as evil, but if I keep from personalizing it, I can see it's just life happening. It's neither good or evil, it simply is. So it seems to me that hell is strictly a personal problem, and one which the participant can choose to suffer from or not.

Frankly, I guess I don't know what the hell you all are talking about...

Peter_Mary
But P_M this all sounds like one big cop out in trying to eliminate hell from the face of earth. I think that we need to put the personal back into life in order to take charge of hell events and attempt to change hell into beauty through the elimination of hell itself. It nice to be a philosopher and all that but philosophy without action is dead and philosophy only involved in interpretation is lifeless...it is through human action that life can be made more beautiful not just for the personal self but also for the greater community. Sorry...just can't buy into your depersonalized philosophy syndrome. Life just doesn't happen...it takes real individuals to make it happen...the life direction depends on the human, together and united for the beautification of the spirit and soul...and social environment around us...Of course this is only my very humble opinion... :)

[peter_mary]

But P_M this all sounds like one big cop out in trying to eliminate hell from the face of earth. I think that we need to put the personal back into life in order to take charge of hell events and attempt to change hell into beauty through the elimination of hell itself. It nice to be a philosopher and all that but philosophy without action is dead and philosophy only involved in interpretation is lifeless...it is through human action that life can be made more beautiful not just for the personal self but also for the greater community. Sorry...just can't buy into your depersonalized philosophy syndrome. Life just doesn't happen...it takes real individuals to make it happen...the life direction depends on the human, together and united for the beautification of the spirit and soul...and social environment around us...Of course this is only my very humble opinion... :)

Actually, I think HELL is the cop-out. It excuses us from dealing with the reality of our experience. "It's not my fault...life is hell."

What I'm simply saying is that we can wrap ourselves around the "stuff" that just happens and gripe that's it's so awful, or we can observe it, sit with it, and make decisions about how we choose to proceed. It seems to me that the healthy way through is to NOT personalize it and wrap ourselves around it, but rather to approach it with compassion and awareness, and without judgement.

Death, for example, is impersonal. It happens to every living organism. Yet when it happens to US, to our loved ones, we ascribe evilness to it. We can MAKE our lives hell in the wake of a tragic death, or we can accept death as integral to life, and sit with it, learn from it, and make decisions for ourselves on how to move forward.

I don't see that as philosophical hokum...I see it as living the reality of a human being.

Peter_Mary

[Born Free]

Actually, I think HELL is the cop-out. It excuses us from dealing with the reality of our experience. "It's not my fault...life is hell."

What I'm simply saying is that we can wrap ourselves around the "stuff" that just happens and gripe that's it's so awful, or we can observe it, sit with it, and make decisions about how we choose to proceed. It seems to me that the healthy way through is to NOT personalize it and wrap ourselves around it, but rather to approach it with compassion and awareness, and without judgement.

Death, for example, is impersonal. It happens to every living organism. Yet when it happens to US, to our loved ones, we ascribe evilness to it. We can MAKE our lives hell in the wake of a tragic death, or we can accept death as integral to life, and sit with it, learn from it, and make decisions for ourselves on how to move forward.

I don't see that as philosophical hokum...I see it as living the reality of a human being.

Peter_Mary

P_M,

I am right with you. How does it assist to give a set of events or a set of behaviours the label 'Hell'? I would argue strongly in fact that it is extremely counter-productive.

Let me use a metaphor. Let us assume my car is not working (because the spark plugs need replacing - unbeknownst to me).

If I apply the broad and non-discrete label 'broken' to it, and make no effort to dissect the problem (and use more specific language) with more skill, I don't know where to start addressing the problem, and creating a solution. I might start with filling the tank with petrol (gas), checking the coolant level etc., and go through a multitude of attempts to 'un-broke' it. The more things I try (unskillfully) without success, the more I am likely to adopt the idea that making cars work is a giant mystery. I might even open myself to the idea that some mechanic who kills a few chickens and scatters their entrails before opening the bonnet, possesses special powers to resolve my problem if he is subsequently successful.

Now gathering a group of my friends in a concert of human energy will not increase the liklihood of success, unless we or one of us has a schmick what we are on about. Sorry but 'The path to hell is paved with good intentions!'

IMO 'hell' is a very loaded term that carries not only a lot of baggage generally, but quite different baggage in different people's minds, so is particularly prone to eliciting poor communications. I stand to be convinced that poor communications will in any way assist a human or any other type of successful intervention.

For my money, I did not hear you suggest in any way the dehumanisation of life, indeed everything you said, here, and in all your other postings I have read, shouts that you are very much the humanist, and one with a few neurons lined up in a row.

What I DID hear you say was that the notion that 'hell' happens because God is personally pi$$ed with one or a group of humans is a very primitive and unhelpful notion - even counter-productive.

So in summary I heard a very co-operative, informed, progressive approach to the challenge. Bring it on.

Daryl

[hitchiker]

What a strange STD. :eek: Is your wife a mermaid? :Dno , but if she was i would really enjoy the tits bit

[hitchiker]

For what it's worth, I don't know "hell." When I abandoned the idea of "evil" and the "author of evil," I also abandoned the idea of "hell."

As I've read Hell described on this thread, all I REALLY hear is a discussion of the ebb and flow of life. It seems to me to be merely an over-personalized interpretation of life events rather than a state of hell. See, hell suggests, to me at least, that an evil state is imposed on a person. "Go to Hell," or "living in hell." But really, I tend to wonder if hell isn't actually more of a choice and a state of mind, rather than an imposition of the universe?

As I de-personalize unfortunate events in my life and the world around me, I can simply watch the dynamic flow of life unfolding on planet earth. It's a systems phenomenon, rich and complex. If I personalize it, sure, I can interpret those things as evil, but if I keep from personalizing it, I can see it's just life happening. It's neither good or evil, it simply is. So it seems to me that hell is strictly a personal problem, and one which the participant can choose to suffer from or not.

Frankly, I guess I don't know what the hell you all are talking about...

Peter_Marythanx for telling me there is no hell or evil , i,m just off to rob a bank and if a few people get killed in the proccess , it will not matter , as there is no hell or evil or recompense for actions which for want of a better word , we would call evil

[Born Free]

thanx for telling me there is no hell or evil , i,m just off to rob a bank and if a few people get killed in the proccess , it will not matter , as there is no hell or evil or recompense for actions which for want of a better word , we would call evil
hitchiker,

If the most pressing reasons preventing you from robbing a bank or killing people is the fear of your actions being labelled 'evil' or going to 'hell' then there is not much constraining you.

You appear to have fallen into the religiously promoted trap that if labels like evil and hell disappear then immoral, unhelpful, unskillful, anti-social behaviours will cease to be what they are.

Some members of society label certain behaviours 'evil' because they are anti-social, as in anti their ideal of society. That is a relatively unconscious level of trying to shape human behaviour. But it overlooks that behaviours like argueing that the earth was not the centre of the universe was also labelled evil.

Surely we would benefit from being able to more skillfully scrutinise what is and is not moral and pro-social behaviour! Human beings are sophisticated enough to know what is and is not helpful behaviour, unless someone has repeatedly brianwashed then into believing the are fallen, inherently evil beings and that the only Compass for moral behaviour lies outside them.

Daryl

PS: to personalise this, I do not believe in hell, and am very, very cautious is using the term evil, but I do not have any problem fighting off the urge to kill, maime, rape, pillage, and indulge in other nefarious acts.

How 'bout you?

[peter_mary]

thanx for telling me there is no hell or evil , i,m just off to rob a bank and if a few people get killed in the proccess , it will not matter , as there is no hell or evil or recompense for actions which for want of a better word , we would call evil

Dude, you should TOTALLY go for it, 'cause next I'm gonna tell you there aren't any police, or prisons or consequences of any sort!

:D

Peter_Mary

[why me]

Actually, I think HELL is the cop-out. It excuses us from dealing with the reality of our experience. "It's not my fault...life is hell."

What I'm simply saying is that we can wrap ourselves around the "stuff" that just happens and gripe that's it's so awful, or we can observe it, sit with it, and make decisions about how we choose to proceed. It seems to me that the healthy way through is to NOT personalize it and wrap ourselves around it, but rather to approach it with compassion and awareness, and without judgement.

Death, for example, is impersonal. It happens to every living organism. Yet when it happens to US, to our loved ones, we ascribe evilness to it. We can MAKE our lives hell in the wake of a tragic death, or we can accept death as integral to life, and sit with it, learn from it, and make decisions for ourselves on how to move forward.

I don't see that as philosophical hokum...I see it as living the reality of a human being.

Peter_Mary
I am with you on the griping part but this is why I said that hell needs to be eliminated through action. Can we agree that life in a ghetto can be hell for those who live in it? We can also describe hell to various social conditions that people may find themselves in in the course of a life. But to sit back and allow hell to happen and deal with it through only a philosophical learned response of personal reflection is wrong in my opinion. But the clue in your post is in how to proceed...I did not see that part in your first post. For many in this world life is hell but it is through an active-proceeding that it can be eliminated. However, in your post it seems that you are approaching it through an individualized response, which is okay but I believe that hell in this world also needs a collective response if we want to bring a more 'heavenly' experience to a greater majority of people who actually live in a hell hole...thanks for your post P-M...are you ready to join the Party yet? We need some learned people in the Party... :)

[cactus jack]

Good post, why me. Honestly, I am unsure of what hell is. According to some of my fellow Christians, hell is a point of losing it all- no life with Christ, but total death. Though I feel that hell is what one goes there here to make them better for the second coming.

Irregardless, what we go through in the here and now does make us stronger better people. It gives us experience and knowledge. What we do with that will decide where we go from here. Do we go to heaven to be with Jesus or do we go to hell and die, to never live again?

As for commiting crimes, that's a tough one. There's so many laws out there now that it's pathetic. As for stealing, that's covered under the Ten Commandements.

Besides, the government hates competition!