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darin
24th August 2005, 04:34 PM
Hi, Everyone,

I resigned from the Church in April of this year--just got my letter about a month or so ago. It's been GREAT to be free from the LDS Church... and, I thought I'd share my newly-found Church with you all. It's called "Unitarian Universalism," and it goes REALLY well with the Post-Mormon philosophy. Here's some info, as well as further links. I highly recommend you checking into it, if you are looking for something spiritual, but not dogmatic, after leaving the LDS Faith:

We, the member congregations of the Unitarian Universalist Association, covenant to affirm and promote

--The inherent worth and dignity of every person;

--Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;

--Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;

--A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;

--The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;

--The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;

--Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.

The living tradition which we share draws from many sources:

--Direct experience of that transcending mystery and wonder, affirmed in all cultures, which moves us to a renewal of the spirit and an openness to the forces which create and uphold life;

--Words and deeds of prophetic women and men which challenge us to confront powers and structures of evil with justice, compassion, and the transforming power of love;

--Wisdom from the world's religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life;

--Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves;

--Humanist teachings which counsel us to heed the guidance of reason and the results of science, and warn us against idolatries of the mind and spirit.

--Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature.

Grateful for the religious pluralism which enriches and ennobles our faith, we are inspired to deepen our understanding and expand our vision. As free congregations we enter into this covenant, promising to one another our mutual trust and support.

http://www.uua.org/aboutuua/principles.html



Then this:



What do Unitarian Universalists believe...?

1. We believe in the freedom of religious expression. All individuals should be encouraged to develop their own personal theology, and to present openly their religious opinions without fear of censure or reprisal.

2. We believe in the toleration of religious ideas. All religions, in every age and culture, possess not only an intrinsic merit, but also a potential value for those who have learned the art of listening.

3. We believe in the authority of reason and conscience. The ultimate arbiter in religion is not a church, or a document, or an official, but the personal choice and decision of the individual.

4. We believe in the never-ending search for Truth. If the mind and heart are truly free and open, the revelations which appear to the human spirit are infinitely numerous, eternally fruitful, and wondrously exciting.

5. We believe in the unity of experience. There is no fundamental conflict between faith and knowledge, religion and the world, the sacred and the secular, since they all have their source in the same reality.

6. We believe in the worth and dignity of each human being. All people on earth have an equal claim to life, liberty and justice-and no idea, ideal or philosophy is superior to a single human life.

7. We believe in the ethical application of religion. Good works are the natural products of a good faith, the evidence of an inner grace that finds completion in social and community involvement.

8. We believe in the motive force of love. The governing principle in human relationships is the principle of love, which always seeks the welfare of others and never seeks to hurt or destroy.

9. We believe in the necessity of the democratic process. Records are open to scrutiny, elections are open to members, and ideas are open to criticism-so that people might govern themselves.

10. We believe in the importance of a religious community. The validation of experience requires the confirmation of peers, who provide a critical platform along with a network of mutual support.

http://www.uua.org/aboutuu/newcomerfaq.html



Anyway, I've gone several Sundays in a row, and, for the first time in a LONG time, I LOVE going to Church, and truly look forward to Sundays as my favorite day of the week.

(To give you an idea of the diversity of the services: my first sunday, the opening hymn was "Feelin' Groovy," accompanied by a barefoot guitar-player! The next week, it was Chopin by a duet consisting of a grand piano and flute... Other songs we sung were Christian hymns, hebrew chants, African Spirituals, and UU Hymns. The readings ranged from poetry, to Old Testament Readings, to Buddhist teachings, to the Bible. Really uplifting, wonderful services, taking 'truth' from wherever it is found, and incredibly geunine, loving people...)

helemon
24th August 2005, 04:40 PM
Hi, Everyone,

I resigned from the Church in April of this year--just got my letter about a month or so ago. It's been GREAT to be free from the LDS Church... and, I thought I'd share my newly-found Church with you all. It's called "Unitarian Universalism," and it goes REALLY well with the Post-Mormon philosophy. Here's some info, as well as further links. I highly recommend you checking into it, if you are looking for something spiritual, but not dogmatic, after leaving the LDS Faith:


I think many here had that one ranked pretty high on their belief net list, right next to neo-pagan, and liberal quaker.

I can personally recommend the minister in Ogden. I think they are building a new chapel just up from the old mall.

peter_mary
24th August 2005, 04:56 PM
I know that the UU congregation where I live is liberally sprinkled with PostMos trying to find a new spiritual home. I have not attended, but my wife has been once or twice. The opening song was, "Morning Has Broken" by Cat Stevens...my 10 year old thought that was awesome!

They really are probably one of the most open-minded groups, with room for lots of different world-views. It's also what keeps them on the fringes of the mainstream...most "Christian" churches don't think they're a real Church.

Huh...elitism... :rolleyes:

The people I've talked to who attend UU cite the fact that they draw upon wisdom where ever they find it...Buddhism, Rumi, the Bible, Islam, Jimi Hendrix...doesn't matter to them, provided it supports their basic tenets, which you posted above.

There's probably worse things a person could do on a Sunday.

Oh, the other thing my wife and daughter really dug about the UU was that afterward, they gathered for "Coffee, Cookies, and Conversation." Relationship building. Talking freely about that days topic. Imagine...

Enjoy the UU, Darin! It's about as far from Mormonism as you'll get and still be in Church. :)

Peter_Mary

free thinker
24th August 2005, 11:02 PM
Enjoy the UU, Darin! It's about as far from Mormonism as you'll get and still be in Church.


This above alone would reccomend it to me. It seems the farther away I move from mormonism, the better life get's.


Morning has broken
Like the first morning
Blackbird has spoken
Like the first bird
Praise for the singing
Praise for the morning
Praise for them springing
Fresh from the world

Sweet the rains new fall
Sunlit from heaven
Like the first dew fall
On the first grass
Praise for the sweetness
Of the wet garden
Sprung in completeness
Where his feet pass
Mine is the sunlight
Mine is the morning
Born of the one light
Eden so play
Praise with elation
Praise every morning
God' s recreation
Of the new day

Morning has broken
Like the first morning
Blackbird has spoken
Like the first bird
Praise for the singing
Praise for the morning
Praise for them springing
Fresh from the world
. Cat Stevens



Congrats on your new found faith Darin. I found the creed very interesting and perhaps someday I will join in for some worship. May it always bring you peace and hope.

free thinker

why me
25th August 2005, 06:00 AM
I attended the UU in Salt lake City while I still attended the LDS church as a young adult. I liked it alot...very humanist in content. I also attended lectures at the New York Society for ethical culure in New York City...it has a relationship with UU at that time in my life. I listen to some UU sermons from the seattle church on the internet nowadays. At least I think that it is the seattle church...I lsiten to it at work in the evenings. I enjoy the sermons a lot. It is a good home to find...I hope that the people treat you well and that you will find peace in the core philosophy of love your neighbor through human connection and understanding. :)

miss taken
25th August 2005, 07:26 AM
Darin, it sounds absolutely wonderful.
Mary

dogzilla
25th August 2005, 07:33 AM
I've been asked to give a presentation to a UU congregation about gardening and spirituality. This is through a gardening friend of mine, to whom I taught how to attract flutterbies and hummybirds to his garden. We haven't worked out the schedule and details quite yet, but I thought it was cool that any random person with knowledge about something and the ability to tie that knowledge into a spiritual message is able to just pop by and give a talk.

Those crazy Unitarians! Gotta love 'em.

wescape
25th August 2005, 05:32 PM
I attended the UU in Salt lake City while I still attended the LDS church as a young adult. I liked it alot...very humanist in content. I also attended lectures at the New York Society for ethical culure in New York City...it has a relationship with UU at that time in my life. I listen to some UU sermons from the seattle church on the internet nowadays. At least I think that it is the seattle church...I lsiten to it at work in the evenings. I enjoy the sermons a lot. It is a good home to find...I hope that the people treat you well and that you will find peace in the core philosophy of love your neighbor through human connection and understanding. :)

Are you in Seattle why me?

Wes

Fredl
26th August 2005, 01:02 PM
Darin, I was a UU for many, many years. Like you, I liked their statements of belief and philosophy. I also liked their connection with Transcendentalism. Actually, I was a Unitarian before they merged with the Universalists, which I also liked after I found out about it.

Why then did I leave?

In a nutshell, I did not like the UU culture. I found them to be predominantly extreme political Liberals who were very active politically and who felt that their political activity was an appropriate expression for their "religious" beliefs. In the Bay Area in California, I found them dominated by Gays and Lesbians and active promoters of what has been called "the Gay Lifestyle".

Now, I have no animus towards Gays and Lesbians; I'm pretty much a live and let live kind of guy. Pretty close to being a Libertarian. And, from time to time, I'd find a fellow spirit among the UUs. However, for the most part, I felt pretty seriously uncomfortable among the UUs. I got real tired of the political humor and the general hostility towards my political outlook. My Filipino wife felt VERY uncomfortable in the two congergations we tried. I think many of the women, with their Feminist outlooks, took her to be a stereotypical "Mail Order Bride" and assumed that I was a typical Mail Pig. We NEVER got that reaction among the Mormons, who treated her like one of their own from the first.

Well, to each his own. If everybody liked the same thing, I guess everybody would want to mary my wife and I KNOW that's not true. I wish you the best and hope that you find what you're looking. If it turns out to be the UU church, well, good on you!

Fred

why me
27th August 2005, 03:53 AM
Are you in Seattle why me?

Wes
No I don't. I haven't stated where I live publically in this forum but there is one person who does know. I suppose that I am not ready to say my exact location yet. But I suppose I will someday soon...it is an interesting story to tell...but not yet. Take care, Wes

why me
27th August 2005, 03:59 AM
Darin, I was a UU for many, many years. Like you, I liked their statements of belief and philosophy. I also liked their connection with Transcendentalism. Actually, I was a Unitarian before they merged with the Universalists, which I also liked after I found out about it.

Why then did I leave?

In a nutshell, I did not like the UU culture. I found them to be predominantly extreme political Liberals who were very active politically and who felt that their political activity was an appropriate expression for their "religious" beliefs. In the Bay Area in California, I found them dominated by Gays and Lesbians and active promoters of what has been called "the Gay Lifestyle".

Now, I have no animus towards Gays and Lesbians; I'm pretty much a live and let live kind of guy. Pretty close to being a Libertarian. And, from time to time, I'd find a fellow spirit among the UUs. However, for the most part, I felt pretty seriously uncomfortable among the UUs. I got real tired of the political humor and the general hostility towards my political outlook. My Filipino wife felt VERY uncomfortable in the two congergations we tried. I think many of the women, with their Feminist outlooks, took her to be a stereotypical "Mail Order Bride" and assumed that I was a typical Mail Pig. We NEVER got that reaction among the Mormons, who treated her like one of their own from the first.

Well, to each his own. If everybody liked the same thing, I guess everybody would want to mary my wife and I KNOW that's not true. I wish you the best and hope that you find what you're looking. If it turns out to be the UU church, well, good on you!

Fred
I can understand your feelings fred. I am a rather liberal kind of guy...in fact I am further left than liberal. But like many cultures...it is a group thing....I don't think that a conservative-libertarian can feel comfortable there...but maybe I am wrong but it is a feeling that I would have. I always felt at home among their community because of my political outlook and because of their humanitarian spirit of stressing the social aspects of the gospel. I also think that Christ would be a socialist in the pure sense of the word if he were alíve today. (now comrades, don't start lecturing me about communism...I said in the pure sense of the word :) )And so I did find a home there. I hope that darin takes my advice (on my dozilla and darin thread) and posts his experiences. I think that it would be also great to get his thoughts about what he is learning and experiencing...take care fred... :)

Fredl
27th August 2005, 05:20 PM
Why me, thanks for the very kind reply. It seems like on the internet if you say something that is contrary to the belief-system of somebody else, you can expect not just a rebuttal but a real load of anger and hostility. It's quite a unique experience to find yourself essentially in disagreement with somebody who treats you in a very kind way and who actually makes the effort to understand what you're saying rather than just reacting to it.

Fred