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helemon
1st September 2005, 08:24 PM
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=21502
Sep 1, 2005
By Michael Foust
Baptist Press

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (BP)--California's Senate Sept. 1 became the first legislative body in U.S. history to pass a bill that would legalize "gay marriage," ignoring conservatives who said the bill defies the will of the citizens and is unconstitutional.

The Senate passed the bill (AB 849) by a margin of 21-15, the minimum votes required for passage. Although legislatures in Vermont and Connecticut previously had passed bills legalizing same-sex civil unions, no body had ever passed a bill that would legalize "gay marriage."

The bill now goes back to the state Assembly, which defeated a "gay marriage" bill earlier this summer on three separate votes. Supporters hope the newfound momentum provides the extra votes it needs to pass the Assembly. California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, has not said whether he would sign or veto the bill.

The bill would change the definition of marriage in state family code to read "two persons" instead of "a man and a woman."
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During floor debate Sen. Tom Torlakson, a Democrat who supported the bill, argued that the institution of marriage had "evolved." Sen. Nell Soto, another Democrat who supported the bill, said people "were put on this earth to love one another, not judge one another."

Sen. Carole Migden, a Democrat from San Francisco who voted for the bill, cited the growing homosexual activist movement before saying, "There is a whole new human family configuration in America and the globe.

But Sen. Tom McClintock, a Republican who voted against the bill, said "gay marriage" legalization would change society for the worse.

"Marriage is the institution that exists in nature by which we propagate our species and inculcate our young with the values and standards and sociological guidance that produces a human society," he said.

McClintock noted that the government bans polygamy.

"Why is that? Why would we interfere with the right of consenting adults to enter into a polygamous relationship?" he asked. "... It's because we recognize the unique strains that such a relationship would produce on that marriage."

Hollingsworth argued that, deep down, every member "know[s] that this is not the right thing to do."

"You have to ask, where does that [conviction] come from?" he asked. "I believe that comes from a higher power who put that knowledge in you. And that higher power is also the higher power that created the institution of marriage."

Marriage, McClintock said, cannot be redefined -- even by politicians.

aether
1st September 2005, 11:27 PM
Woooo! Hooray! Yet another step towards tolerance and equality! I'm excited. I can't wait 'til it happens in Utah (and yes it WILL happen one day)!

peter_mary
1st September 2005, 11:43 PM
Woooo! Hooray! Yet another step towards tolerance and equality! I'm excited. I can't wait 'til it happens in Utah (and yes it WILL happen one day)!

That day might come some time after the earth crashes into the sun, but at least there won't be anyone to stop it...

:p

Peter_Mary

elder_nomo
2nd September 2005, 01:53 PM
McClintock says: "Marriage is the institution that exists in nature by which we propagate our species and inculcate our young with the values and standards and sociological guidance that produces a human society,"

e.nomo says: Thank you Professor McClintock...
I didn't know that marriage exists in nature. I am anxious to see examples of that. [is that why penguins wear tuxedos?]
I was also under the mistaken impression that the way we propagate our species was thru sex, not marriage. Imagine the look of surprise on the faces all those "out of wedlock" kids when they find out they don't exist.

Yes, the purpose of marriage is the propagation of our species, so I look forward to your legislation to ban marriage of men with vasectomies, post-menopausal women, and people who use birth control.

Hollingsworth says: that, deep down, every member "know[s] that this is not the right thing to do."
"You have to ask, where does that [conviction] come from?" he asked. "I believe that comes from a higher power who put that knowledge in you. And that higher power is also the higher power that created the institution of marriage."

e.nomo says: Thank you, Reverend Hollingsworth.
Gosh, I don't know that it's not right - I'm not feeling it. Must be that I'm not going deep enough. I guess I need to just accept that your beliefs are better than mine. I need to get as deep as you.
BTW, love how you don't let that little church/state separation thingy get in your way.

helemon
2nd September 2005, 02:10 PM
McClintock says: "Marriage is the institution that exists in nature by which we propagate our species and inculcate our young with the values and standards and sociological guidance that produces a human society,"

e.nomo says: Thank you Professor McClintock...
I didn't know that marriage exists in nature. I am anxious to see examples of that. [is that why penguins wear tuxedos?]
I was also under the mistaken impression that the way we propagate our species was thru sex, not marriage. Imagine the look of surprise on the faces all those "out of wedlock" kids when they find out they don't exist.

Yes, the purpose of marriage is the propagation of our species, so I look forward to your legislation to ban marriage of men with vasectomies, post-menopausal women, and people who use birth control.

Hollingsworth says: that, deep down, every member "know[s] that this is not the right thing to do."
"You have to ask, where does that [conviction] come from?" he asked. "I believe that comes from a higher power who put that knowledge in you. And that higher power is also the higher power that created the institution of marriage."

e.nomo says: Thank you, Reverend Hollingsworth.
Gosh, I don't know that it's not right - I'm not feeling it. Must be that I'm not going deep enough. I guess I need to just accept that your beliefs are better than mine. I need to get as deep as you.
BTW, love how you don't let that little church/state separation thingy get in your way.

Excellent comments!