Somebody Had to Bring It Up - Masturbation

[silverfox]

Check out this link and please tell me any of you former YBU students, if this is TRUE???

http://nowscape.com/mormon/mormast.htm

It's instructions on how to overcome masturbation and was supposedly written by Mark E. Peterson and distributed by BYU.

Notice how much guilt is referred to? That masturbation creates guilt? WHO is creating the guilt? THE CHURCH, not the act! ugh. I can't believe some of this crap.

Honestly I had no idea young men were subjected to questions about masturbation on such frequent occassions. I had no idea that when my sons were 12 and up they were being asked constantly about masturbation. We allow our kids to go into a private interview with someone we sometimes hardly know and let them have total rein over them. (insert grunts of anger here) :mad:

It wasn't until recently that I approached my boys about it and was enlightened. I profusely apologized to them for subjecting them to that kind of humilitaion.

I have been asked on a couple occassions about masturbation but I always thought it was just the bishops being "weird" because it wasn't a constant in my interviews.

The most difficult thing I've had to deal with is what I allowed my kids to be subjected to as members. I don't think I can ever forgive myself. I can't take back the years but I do try to let them know how very sorry I am and if I had it to do over again, it would be very different.

[bigeddy]

This is the famous Marky Peterson talk where he suggests that the mishies tie their hands to the bedpost with their neckties to prevent their "two little hands" from touching the "P" thing during sleeping hours. God, what a sicky he was. You are so right about what causes the shame. It is certainly not the spanking of the proverbial munkey, it is the sayings of the damned idiots.

Most programs for adolescent sex offenders include using masturbation to recondition sexual arousal. In one conference I attended a therapist from Montana was giving a presentation about his program and mentioned having a client from a momo family and the trials he had in working wtih this family. I approached him afterward and told him where I was from and the fact that most of the kids in my program were from mofams. He rolled his eyes and expressed sorrow for my challenge.

Ed

[silverfox]

This is the famous Marky Peterson talk where he suggests that the mishies tie their hands to the bedpost with their neckties to prevent their "two little hands" from touching the "P" thing during sleeping hours. God, what a sicky he was. You are so right about what causes the shame. It is certainly not the spanking of the proverbial munkey, it is the sayings of the damned idiots.

Most programs for adolescent sex offenders include using masturbation to recondition sexual arousal. In one conference I attended a therapist from Montana was giving a presentation about his program and mentioned having a client from a momo family and the trials he had in working wtih this family. I approached him afterward and told him where I was from and the fact that most of the kids in my program were from mofams. He rolled his eyes and expressed sorrow for my challenge.

Ed


I never came across this gem. I heard bits and pieces of it but never saw the whole thing. I had no idea they distributed something like this. Unbelievable. Sick chit. Plain sick, man. Don't they realize the damage this does? Don't any therapists, shrinks, etc approach them and say, look, you are causing some major damage here!??? (not that they would take heed from professionals but DAAAAAAAMN!!!!!)

[Born Free]

This is the famous Marky Peterson talk where he suggests that the mishies tie their hands to the bedpost with their neckties to prevent their "two little hands" from touching the "P" thing during sleeping hours. God, what a sicky he was. You are so right about what causes the shame. It is certainly not the spanking of the proverbial munkey, it is the sayings of the damned idiots.

Ed

Personal story time now.

As stated, I grew up in an Australian Mission and was a teenager in the 60s. If it is possible, the Mission meant more clueless, inexperienced, untrained, naive leaders.

So as a teenager I was due for my usual PH worthiness interviews, which presented a dilema, because like 98 percent of healthy teenage boys, I gave the monkey a pretty regular spanking! (You know the saying: 95% masturbate. The other 5% lie!). :p

Only problem was my father was the Branch President! Of course in MoLand PH leaders receive little to no training, boundaries are rarely if ever sighted, and the issue involved connected with unresolved issues of the interviewer (what supervision?).

Yes, I was interviewed for PH advancement by my Dad, and the questions included masturbation. So what choices did I have?

Tell the truth, and incur both parental, Church and Divine disapproval, (followed by being placed on restricted duties!) :eek: or

Lie, and suffer the consequences of that on my self-esteem. :cool:

Talk about a rock and a hard place.

I remember years later, after my father had mellowed, telling him about a Mormon acquaintance who worked in a mental institution. A female patient there had done physical damage to herself masturbating with a glass object, and the staff had been involved in a discussion about how best to respond. The choices appeared to be: Do nothing and risk a repeat, with serious outcomes, or buy some vibrators.

The guy was traumatised by the choice which had a logical answer from a patient safety perspective, but that was one that was unacceptable with his religious beliefs.

My fathers response at that time was that he felt the Church had probably eased on that a bit, but that it could not come out and state its acceptance, or someone might make masturbation an MIA group activity. (He had shifted a bit!)

Maybe the Church should manufacture and market hand restraints to boost the top line. I am reminded of a skit by the irreverent Scot comedian Billy Connelly, when he asked what sort of fiendish mind had invented anti-masturbation gloves for convicts used in the 1800s in a Victorian prison.

Daryl

Ps: Ciggy time Silverfox?

[free thinker]

Silver fox you are up to your normal tricks! Comin right out and shining the light of day on the TABOOS! This, of course, is what I like about you!! :)

Dennis Miller , speaking of masturbation, once said, "Let him with a free hand cast the first stone". :D

You wanna make someone into a pervert? Start by telling them masturbation is a sin!! That will get you off to a good start!!

Personally, the way I see it, if God didn't want me to masturbate, he would have made my arms shorter!!

Free Thinker

[Born Free]

Silver fox you are up to your normal tricks! Comin right out and shining the light of day on the TABOOS! This, of course, is what I like about you!! :)

Dennis Miller , speaking of masturbation, once said, "Let him with a free hand cast the first stone". :D

You wanna make someone into a pervert? Start by telling them masturbation is a sin!! That will get you off to a good start!!

Personally, the way I see it, if God didn't want me to masturbate, he would have made my arms shorter!!

Free Thinker

Not sure one of the guys would have used language like "bring in up" to discuss this issue though! Or, 'something arose', 'came to hand' etc. :)

I just said to my wife the other day "Have you noticed that arms are just the right length to reach the genitals; not too long, or too short!" :rolleyes:

[citrus]

Check out this link and please tell me any of you former YBU students, if this is TRUE???

http://nowscape.com/mormon/mormast.htm

It's instructions on how to overcome masturbation and was supposedly written by Mark E. Peterson and distributed by BYU.

Notice how much guilt is referred to? That masturbation creates guilt? WHO is creating the guilt? THE CHURCH, not the act! ugh. I can't believe some of this crap.

Honestly I had no idea young men were subjected to questions about masturbation on such frequent occassions. I had no idea that when my sons were 12 and up they were being asked constantly about masturbation. We allow our kids to go into a private interview with someone we sometimes hardly know and let them have total rein over them. (insert grunts of anger here) :mad:

It wasn't until recently that I approached my boys about it and was enlightened. I profusely apologized to them for subjecting them to that kind of humilitaion.

I have been asked on a couple occassions about masturbation but I always thought it was just the bishops being "weird" because it wasn't a constant in my interviews.

The most difficult thing I've had to deal with is what I allowed my kids to be subjected to as members. I don't think I can ever forgive myself. I can't take back the years but I do try to let them know how very sorry I am and if I had it to do over again, it would be very different.

I was asked if I masturbated as a 11 or 12 year old girl. At the time I had no idea what it meant, so the bishop explained it to me, asking me if I touched my private areas. I look back and think this is completely ridiculous. Children should not be subjected to this. I find asking children about it repulsive, and not the act itself.

[lsands]

I wonder how it could be anyone else's business what I do with MY body in the privacy of MY home? :confused: Sick bastards, aren't they?! The ultimate in power and control.

[michael]

Not sure one of the guys would have used language like "bring in up" to discuss this issue though! Or, 'something arose', 'came to hand' etc. :)


It is going to sound too unbelievable to be true, but it honestly is:
Once when I felt much guilt over my depravity on this issue, the bishop of my college ward actually said something along the lines of, "With the help of the Lord, you can get a handle on this problem." And then he paused and said, "Uh, I didn't mean it that way."
Yes, you read it right.
What a weird world it is, where basic, normal and benign behaviors are demonized into problems....

[Born Free]

I was asked if I masturbated as a 11 or 12 year old girl. At the time I had no idea what it meant, so the bishop explained it to me, asking me if I touched my private areas. I look back and think this is completely ridiculous. Children should not be subjected to this. I find asking children about it repulsive, and not the act itself.

And from a childs understanding a valid response might be to cease washing their privates and develop a severe alienation from their genitals! Yeah..... real healthy.

That sort of obtrusive questioning is its own form of sexual abuse.

Daryl